torn between choices(Sub)

[Zkeeto]

hey guys and gals maybe u could help me out with this. K, im makin this track right now and i always use a seperate sine sub underneath my hi passed wobble(for better control of my sub). The note layout is one long note from the start of the first measure through the last quarter of the second measure then it goes up a tone for that quarter dropping back down a tone at the start of the third measure (hope that makes sense).

Now heres my question about my sine sub, Im torn between cutting the notes into 1/8 notes to imitate a wobble which is the rate of my mid/high wobble (fyi, I already tried to route a wobble to the volume using CV cables and it just sounded like shit) or just keep the sub one long note(with no wobble). Im not sure what to do cuz even if I use one long note I cant really hear a difference due to my mid/high wobble. any advice on what i should do e.g. anyone see any advantages/disadvantages to doin either way?

In parts of my song that wont have my mid/high wobble playin ill prob just use one long note instead of 1/8 notes for variation, but during the parts with my mid/high wobble playin I want the wobble to be hard as fuck and i dont know if usin one long note will make the wobble sound weaker. Any suggestions would be awsome. spank you:)

[Volatile Psycle]

I take it you're using reason as you said about using cv?
You say it sounded shit but i use it quite a lot and think it sounds good when applied in a subtle manner

but anyway.....alternate between both in different phrases imo
you may not hear it well on your monitors at home but when its real loud in a car/club etc it'll break it up a bit and add interest between sections of the song

[apastrat]

If you are using Reason, then you could just bounce long sub, then open it in NN-XT, and map wobble ammount to W and rate to X. That way it's really easy to make your sub to wobble with rest of the bass, no need for CV.

[serox]

If you are using Reason, then you could just bounce long sub, then open it in NN-XT, and map wobble ammount to W and rate to X. That way it's really easy to make your sub to wobble with rest of the bass, no need for CV.

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[apastrat]

Look upper left corner. W and X modulation wheels are there. Modulation Parameters are in left middle section.

For a simple sub wobble:

Under modulation
1. Put LFO AMT to W and turn it all the way up.
2. Put LFO1 RATE to X and turn it all the way up.

Under LFO 1
1. Turn LEVEL all the way up.
2. You can also mess with the rate speed.

Now automate your W and X modwheels.

[Zkeeto]

yes im on reason. volotil cycle- i tried it but i tried keeping the level on the synth stayinng at 0.0 db but it just kept going over and i would get alot of distortion could u explain how you do it? maybe itl work your way.

apastrat. i didnt even think of that I will def try that. can i automat it so that when when i want the bass to wobble i can and when i dont want it to i can do that also?.

during the parts where i cut up the sub sound into 1/8 notes sound more energizing than one long one?

[bassinine]

definitely will be more powerful when you dot those 1/8th notes. mainly because of perceived volume - things sound louder if they are played after silence.

it's good though to make sure your mid range wobble cuts out at the same time as the sub. so basically if you're playing 1/8th notes, have each note on 3/4ths of the 1/8th note. that way your mid range and sub cuts out momentarily before each new 1/8th note.. it's hard to achieve a very powerful wobble without doing this to some extent.

but you can have a continuous sub note over 1/8th wobble. will just have a different feel to it.

[Zkeeto]

gotcha thanks brosef

[Volatile Psycle]

yes im on reason. volotil cycle- i tried it but i tried keeping the level on the synth stayinng at 0.0 db but it just kept going over and i would get alot of distortion could u explain how you do it? maybe itl work your way.

If you want to go the CV route....
stick whatever constitues your sub in a combi,
then put a line mixer last in the chain before the combi's output. Route your wobbly CV via a cable to rotary1 and use the combi's programmer to make it modulate the master level on the line mixer (making sure to set the max at 100). Then set the minimum amount to taste. Plus you'll visually see the level knob modulate

[Zkeeto]

Look upper left corner. W and X modulation wheels are there. Modulation Parameters are in left middle section.

For a simple sub wobble:

Under modulation
1. Put LFO AMT to W and turn it all the way up.
2. Put LFO1 RATE to X and turn it all the way up.

Under LFO 1
1. Turn LEVEL all the way up.
2. You can also mess with the rate speed.

Now automate your W and X modwheels.

hey wat do u mean by bounce your sub? The sub i made is one that i made myself not a preset so when i saved thae combi patch and tried to open it in nnxt i couldnt. could u tell me what im doing wrong?

[Zkeeto]

yes im on reason. volotil cycle- i tried it but i tried keeping the level on the synth stayinng at 0.0 db but it just kept going over and i would get alot of distortion could u explain how you do it? maybe itl work your way.

If you want to go the CV route....
stick whatever constitues your sub in a combi,
then put a line mixer last in the chain before the combi's output. Route your wobbly CV via a cable to rotary1 and use the combi's programmer to make it modulate the master level on the line mixer (making sure to set the max at 100). Then set the minimum amount to taste. Plus you'll visually see the level knob modulate

What I did was in thors mod matrix was set lfo2 to cv output 1 %100. Then in the combi I routed rotary 1 to thors master level and rought cv output to that rotary at but I didn't get the results I wanted

[apastrat]

Look upper left corner. W and X modulation wheels are there. Modulation Parameters are in left middle section.

For a simple sub wobble:

Under modulation
1. Put LFO AMT to W and turn it all the way up.
2. Put LFO1 RATE to X and turn it all the way up.

Under LFO 1
1. Turn LEVEL all the way up.
2. You can also mess with the rate speed.

Now automate your W and X modwheels.

hey wat do u mean by bounce your sub? The sub i made is one that i made myself not a preset so when i saved thae combi patch and tried to open it in nnxt i couldnt. could u tell me what im doing wrong?

yeah man, you can only open your patch in the instrument you made it in. by bounce i mean, render to wav.

[Eat Bass]

you have to route your master out to the sampling input at the top after you hit tab. then you record a long drone of your bass note. save it as a wav. and load it into the nnxt.

[[asterisk]]

Another technique to try, especially if a full on lfo on the volume is too drastic for your liking, is to lfo the pitch of your sub at the same rate as your mids. After experimenting with it myself, I'm convinced that a lot of top guys use this method and it usually works best at very subtle settings. Basically you want to add just enough so that you really can't even hear the modulation much, but when dialed in just right you can feel the sub adding punch to your wobble. Also I sometimes use a mod envelope for this instead and just lay out the notes individually like you mentioned.

[Zkeeto]

you have to route your master out to the sampling input at the top after you hit tab. then you record a long drone of your bass note. save it as a wav. and load it into the nnxt.

hey man, sorry for my ignorance but i dont quite get what u mean. like recorrd it on my midi or draw it in? and save it using nnxt save button?

asterisk- i will try that too

[KnowWhatAmeen]

i ususally LFO the volume on a sub to be the same as the filter (or whatever) LFO on the wobble...although i usually make it less drastic so its never completely going out. alternatively you can do separate notes for the sub and put a slightly longer attack to simulate a volume wobble