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anyone know of some good books on mind/psychological manipulation? i'm going to the library soon and plan on learning about manipulation.

Derron browns book is decent if you can understand his vocabulary

Hypefiend wrote:.... and plan on learning about manipulation.

whats her name?

Nevalo wrote:

Hypefiend wrote:.... and plan on learning about manipulation.

whats her name?

hahahaha

Anything on NLP would be good. Touched on NLP in my sales days (my awful, immoral sales days)

Had John Seymour: Introducing Neuro-Linguist programming. Some good stuff in there, But I've always found it a topic much easier to get started in if you wash videos of people using those techniques, a lot of the time it's just as much a physical action as it is words

What are your motivations?

weedlefruit wrote:Anything on NLP would be good. Touched on NLP in my sales days (my awful, immoral sales days)

Had John Seymour: Introducing Neuro-Linguist programming. Some good stuff in there, But I've always found it a topic much easier to get started in if you wash videos of people using those techniques, a lot of the time it's just as much a physical action as it is words

From what I can tell, NLP is bullshit. I've never, ever, seen proper research in to it and no-one seems to want to conduct any either I must admit, some aspects of it have come up in unrelated research and have been evidenced as effective but only as part of other more integrated and explicit theories so NLP just looks like a waste of time. It's also always fronted by really energetic salesmen with no background in psychology...

Saying that, if you want to learn about psychological manipulation learn how an NLP salesperson works... they know how to make people buy in to something they know nothing about themselves

cityzen wrote:What are your motivations?

Yes, please elaborate so we can help you more specifically

test recordings wrote:

weedlefruit wrote:Anything on NLP would be good. Touched on NLP in my sales days (my awful, immoral sales days)

Had John Seymour: Introducing Neuro-Linguist programming. Some good stuff in there, But I've always found it a topic much easier to get started in if you wash videos of people using those techniques, a lot of the time it's just as much a physical action as it is words

From what I can tell, NLP is bullshit. I've never, ever, seen proper research in to it and no-one seems to want to conduct any either I must admit, some aspects of it have come up in unrelated research and have been evidenced as effective but only as part of other more integrated and explicit theories so NLP just looks like a waste of time. It's also always fronted by really energetic salesmen with no background in psychology...

Saying that, if you want to learn about psychological manipulation learn how an NLP salesperson works... they know how to make people buy in to something they know nothing about themselves

cityzen wrote:What are your motivations?

Yes, please elaborate so we can help you more specifically

Using NLP for sales was exactly my area. First introduced in commission based work,we had lots of training for tricking customers into buying (I did know what I was talking about though haha, But we had to go through the training to show it) Language anchors and inserting suppositions. Making customers think about payment methods before they've even thought about buying anything. Used to work wonders for my bank account but I felt awful doing it

nlp is not bullshit

conversational hypnosis is not bullshit

check out Prometheus Rising by Robert Anton Wilson

parson wrote:nlp is not bullshit

conversational hypnosis is not bullshit

check out Prometheus Rising by Robert Anton Wilson

Okay, NLP as a coherent single theory is bullshit. Otherwise it's just a fancy name for "hypnotism"!

there's good stuff to be taken from nlp tho. like the concept of reframing. rather than hating your boss for firing you, you could reframe so that you feel bad for your poor boss who really needed you working there and is gonna miss you now that you've been nudged in the direction of bigger and better things.

FPOON

Check out the books by the guys who developed NLP, Bandler & Grinder. They're pretty readable (unlike other NLP books I've read which seem like stereo instructions.) Also check out Douglas Rushkoff's book "Persuasion," which isn't a how-to but does dissect various common methods used by salesmen, religious types, etc. pretty well.

Oh yeah - there's also the Scientology "Brainwashing Manual" too...

http://www.xenu-directory.net/practices ... hing1.html

love douglas rushkoff

JTMMusicuk wrote:Derron brown

that's derron with an 'e' like in twet

parson wrote:love douglas rushkoff

Yeah. Rushkoff is a smart, funny cat. He totally gets it - he's not naively moralizing so much as trying to prepare you, the reader, to withstand the daily shitstorm of hype that gets pitched at us.