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I'm just curious, because as I have ideas of patterns I want in my head, and as I try to apply them, I can't help but think there has to be a better way to do it.

Okay, once upon a time, I used FL Studio for this, and for whatever reason, FL could do something that ableton cannot. One of the ways I got womps to sound good was because I was able to manually draw in automation for womps with an external filter that I would place after all the processing. FL was able to keep up with how fast the automation was changing. But now, I'm on ableton, and anytime I try to do this (Manually create automation), ableton can't keep up with the speed of the automation, and ends up skipping a lot of them, and making it not sound smooth in general.

So how do you guys make them? Do you just stick with the filters inside the synth and automate the changes in rythym between parts? (Something I'd prefer not to do because I prefer the filter to go AFTER external effects) A while back somebody recomended I use TAL filter, but it's not quite as accurate and flexible as I'd like it to be. So what do you guys do? There has to be a better way from what I'm doing. I know skrillex, along with many other dubstep/brostep/drumstep/whateverstep artists use ableton as well.

Womps?

Good question since I've switched to Ableton recently...how you're explaining it is kind of confusing but I understood it because I'm going through the same thing.

Does anyone know if you can automate Abletons Massive wobbles like you can in FL Studio? Because FL Studio you can make curves/spikes in the automation(more customizable) whereas in Ableton it seems like you can only make blocky automations. Everything seems square...hope someone understands what I mean.

sargentpilcher wrote:I'm just curious, because as I have ideas of patterns I want in my head, and as I try to apply them, I can't help but think there has to be a better way to do it.

Okay, once upon a time, I used FL Studio for this, and for whatever reason, FL could do something that ableton cannot. One of the ways I got womps to sound good was because I was able to manually draw in automation for womps with an external filter that I would place after all the processing. FL was able to keep up with how fast the automation was changing. But now, I'm on ableton, and anytime I try to do this (Manually create automation), ableton can't keep up with the speed of the automation, and ends up skipping a lot of them, and making it not sound smooth in general.

So how do you guys make them? Do you just stick with the filters inside the synth and automate the changes in rythym between parts? (Something I'd prefer not to do because I prefer the filter to go AFTER external effects) A while back somebody recomended I use TAL filter, but it's not quite as accurate and flexible as I'd like it to be. So what do you guys do? There has to be a better way from what I'm doing. I know skrillex, along with many other dubstep/brostep/drumstep/whateverstep artists use ableton as well.

It's not about what DAW you use, it's about how you use it. Pretty much every DAW will be just as capable as every other, it's mostly the interfaces that's different. And for the record, spor (feed me) uses FL and is a lot more talented production-wise than skrillex.

In regards to how I make my "womps", There's really no concrete rule or law. Sometimes I want the filter movement to be less noticeable, so I'll use it earlier in my effects chain, and sometimes it's the last thing I do; it all depends on what kind of sound I'm looking for. I also don't just stick to your typical LFO to low pass filter routine. In FL (and all other DAW's I'm sure too), you can pretty much automate any parameter that you want. I might automate the depth and width and frequency of a notch filter, or automate the amount of distortion on a sound. Look for new and different things to automate as opposed to your standard filter movement. Automate feedback or add some vibrato, or automate the number of voices or the amount of detuning in a sound. The point is you don't want your sounds to feel stale and stagnant. Try layer a sound on top of one sound and automate the amplitude so as the note holds, more of one sound starts to be heard than the other. The possibilities really are endless on ways to automate any particular sound to give it more movement and make it more interesting.

I just started producing about a month ago with ableton, and right now I'm doing LFO modulation with Operator. I was using an auto filter before this, and I notice a big difference in how smooth the wobbles are. Maybe you're just trying to do too much modulation with it?

womp womp womp!!!!!!

malakasounds wrote:womp womp womp!!!!!!

you joined a forum to say that??

Electric_Head wrote:

malakasounds wrote:womp womp womp!!!!!!

you joined a forum to say that??

we call that a first post fail

been a long time reader of the forum and finally made an account. Sorry for a bad impression :/

malakasounds wrote:been a long time reader of the forum and finally made an account. Sorry for a bad impression :/

malaka is a naughty word

Massive + Enevelope to cutoff + adjust attack + mess with decay and Release = Womp......well thats the basics of getting the womp sound. But like everyone always says, just mess around experiment.

Electric_Head wrote:

malakasounds wrote:womp womp womp!!!!!!

you joined a forum to say that??

At least he didn't join just to ask how to make teh skrill bass

Perfecture wrote:

Electric_Head wrote:

malakasounds wrote:womp womp womp!!!!!!

you joined a forum to say that??

At least he didn't join just to ask how to make teh skrill bass

true

sample yourself saying womp, add camelcrusher and flange, bounce it and hoy it into a sampler and loop the audio
this is how the pros make their womps

Perfecture wrote:

Electric_Head wrote:

malakasounds wrote:womp womp womp!!!!!!

you joined a forum to say that??

At least he didn't join just to ask how to make teh skrill bass

He needs to know how to womp before he can make the the womp skrill like that.

Killamike49 wrote:

Perfecture wrote:

Electric_Head wrote:

malakasounds wrote:womp womp womp!!!!!!

you joined a forum to say that??

At least he didn't join just to ask how to make teh skrill bass

He needs to know how to womp before he can make the the womp skrill like that.

he also needs FM8....boys gotta long road ahead

Sonika wrote:Womps?

wobbles?

wubs?

did you really not know what he is talking about

Anne Droid wrote:

Sonika wrote:Womps?

wobbles?

wubs?

did you really not know what he is talking about

Of course I do, I just think it's a funny term.

Anne Droid wrote:

Sonika wrote:Womps?

wobbles?

wubs?

did you really not know what he is talking about

I didn't know what he was talking about :/
always thought 'womps' were fat kicks

a whomp, or womp, is pretty commonly used to describe a wobble bass that uses an envelope instead of a LFO.