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Ok so Im getting into the buisness of making bass. What I have seen a couple of times trolling around the forum is that people cut there Basslines at 100hz and implement a sine wave. What i am guessing is that the diffrent harmonics within these diffrent bass sounds would screw with your kick? Thats the only reason i see. Or maybe because a sine wave has the most physical movement? Maybe its easier to glide between bass sounds? Not sure, i have not experimented but I will work on this tonight when i get out of work. Some insite/tips would be awesome before i start flucking around.

that sine wave is called you sub bass, which the one you feel hitting you in the chest. you high pass your other basses to make it more clear in the mix, sine actually have no harmonics so your wrong there but you also want to high pass you kick at 100 hz as well and again just to clear up your mix

ehbrums1 wrote:that sine wave is called you sub bass, which the one you feel hitting you in the chest. you high pass your other basses to make it more clear in the mix, sine actually have no harmonics so your wrong there but you also want to high pass you kick at 100 hz as well and again just to clear up your mix

or sidechain your kick to your sub

Ok, So sine hits give the most physical vibration when 100hz and under? So basically you can have really high end metalic and talking bass but still have it hit if you high pass it and layer a sine wave in at 100hz.

minusworld wrote:

ehbrums1 wrote:that sine wave is called you sub bass, which the one you feel hitting you in the chest. you high pass your other basses to make it more clear in the mix, sine actually have no harmonics so your wrong there but you also want to high pass you kick at 100 hz as well and again just to clear up your mix

or sidechain your kick to your sub

thats pretty hit or miss tho

outdropt wrote:Ok, So sine hits give the most physical vibration when 100hz and under? So basically you can have really high end metalic and talking bass but still have it hit if you high pass it and layer a sine wave in at 100hz.

yup jut high pass all your midrange basses and then play a deep sub underneath it, remember you want to feel the sub not hear it

Ill mess around with sub bass, you ever try to use a square wave? Im aware in a square wave every other harmonic is present so would you be able to feel that if it were around 100hz?

Is anything besides a sine wave used for sub?

ehbrums1 wrote:that sine wave is called you sub bass, which the one you feel hitting you in the chest. you high pass your other basses to make it more clear in the mix, sine actually have no harmonics so your wrong there but you also want to high pass you kick at 100 hz as well and again just to clear up your mix

I'd never high pass my kick at 100hz, IMO you don't get the nice boom or the full hit of the sample when doing so. I'd normally highpass mine at 60ish hz. But I mainly produce house music, so maybe it's different with dubstep.

Kicks should be highpassed a little lower than 100. Maybe around, like, 60 - 80. A typical sub won't go over 80hz. You don't even have to high pass your kick if you're clever with the arrangement though, some good interaction between the sub and kick can add so much groove to a bassline, and the whole tune.

eq out a nice dip in your sub where your kick is peaking in the 70-100hz area to let the kick boom is another way to keep them from clashing.

I usually high pass the kick between 60-80 too, imo 100 is too high to high pass as the kick will sound weak and thin. It doesn't matter if the sounds overlap slightly. I sometimes sidechain the sub a tiny bit, only 1 or 2 db reduction just to gain a tiny bit more headroom.

Yeah you can use a square or triangle for your sub if you want. It'll just generate more harmonics, and be able to be heard on a weaker system due to the missing fundamental - there's another thread about this on the forum today. Or you could just use a sine and run it through a saturation plugin or resonant filter to generate some harmonics.

But the most powerful sub will be a sine, as its just dedicated to one single frequency. Its about speaker efficiency, a sub will play loudest when it only has to play one frequency at a time.

Bigups everyone! Thanks.

Just remember that sine waves deliver the thickest and smoothest sub bass. Ideally a good deep sub bass sits really low at 45-75 hz. Thats the stuff that rattles ya chestplate.

for a bass music forum i'm really surprised to read so much bad advice.

do any of you know the frequency of an 808 or 909 kick drum? both are around 50Hz.

Kick and sub combo is one of the hardest things to do in any style of EDM. You want both, but they are always fight against each other.

I may be wrong but I'll have to disagree here. I like sub freqs in my kick so I either sidechain or don't let the sub hit where the kick is. I don't highpass the kick. I even add a little sub to my snare (like a synthesized mini kick to put underneath) since the snare works like a kick.

Thanks dudes, i tryed putting my bass together diffrently. Check out my sig, its thanks to these answers!

I never highpass my kick, I just don't like how it sounds ( feels ). The kick kind of loses the punch

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AJGR wrote: for a bass music forum i'm really surprised to read so much bad advice.

do any of you know the frequency of an 808 or 909 kick drum? both are around 50Hz.

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Surely they are at whatever the user pitches them at?
why are you bringing up 808 and 909 btw? noone else has mentioned them.

AJGR wrote:for a bass music forum i'm really surprised to read so much bad advice.

do any of you know the frequency of an 808 or 909 kick drum? both are around 50Hz.

So you are not going to do anything, and let the sub and 808 interfere?
The advice here is their personal approach to how they will solve the problem

AJGR wrote:for a bass music forum i'm really surprised to read so much bad advice.

do any of you know the frequency of an 808 or 909 kick drum? both are around 50Hz.

What's bad advice? And where's your advice that's somehow better? Instead of spouting your mouth off and moaning about people who are actually trying to help, why don't you give us your words of wisdom?