Kicks and sub bass question

[SavyNeal]

Okay so I've heard pitching and EQing your kicks up to not interfere with the sub bass is the way to get a clean bassline. But the more I listen to other songs I hear bassy kicks during the bassline.

Now is this done by removing that part of the bassline for the kick and then picking right back up with the bassline?

Every time I pitch and EQ my kicks it just sounds like I'm destroying the sound quality of them.

[ehbes]

dont pitch your kicks just eq out the sub frequencies in them

[SavyNeal]

dont pitch your kicks just eq out the sub frequencies in them

So is the second explanation pretty much unheard of then or what?

[Kochari]

Sidechain compression gives you the result with none of the hassle!

[jetpack]

Sidechaining is good, but just find a good kick sample. High pass the kick at 80 or 90 or 100 and leave room for you sub from 30-75.

[SavyNeal]

Sidechain compression gives you the result with none of the hassle!

Is there a link you could give me for an explanation of sidechaining compression in FL? If you don't mind, I've heard of it before but never tried it.

[jetpack]

Sidechain compression gives you the result with none of the hassle!

Is there a link you could give me for an explanation of sidechaining compression in FL? If you don't mind, I've heard of it before but never tried it.

Sidechaining ducks whatever you chain (in this case, the sub bass) when the triggered kick (or whatever) is played. Mainly recognized in house music, the "breathing" of lead synths or basses when the kick hits.

Here is a simple technique in FL Studio.

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[Immerse]

Sidechaining is good, but just find a good kick sample. High pass the kick at 80 or 90 or 100 and leave room for you sub from 30-75.

dont do that if you want any punch in your kick on a sub. cut at 45ish hz instead. unless you choose not to sidechain

[VirtualMark]

There's a few methods, depending on what sound you're after. Sidechaining can work nicely if you set up the compressor well. Too much compression and it'll be obvious, also the release timing is important, try to set it so it sounds good.

You could also eq carefully, cut too much bass out and your kick will sound weak and thin. Obviously choosing good samples helps here - if your kick is peaking at 50hz then cutting that out will ruin it. I usually go for a kick that's peaking at about 100hz, and gently roll off the bottom end at about 70-80hz.

Another option is to use an adsr envelope, and just fade the kick out earlier. Usually kicks sweep high to low, so if you fade the end out it usually gets rid of the lowest part.

You could also try a multiband sidechain compressor, and just duck the sub bass when the kick hits. I've messed around with this but haven't got it to work very well yet.

Lastly, i don't know why people say not to pitch kicks. I personally don't see a problem with it, just use your ears and see if it still sounds ok. Too much pitching and it will probably sound naff.

[Sonika]

Sidechaining is fine, but it should be a final touch. Just cut out your sub frequencies on the kick!

[jetpack]

Sidechaining is good, but just find a good kick sample. High pass the kick at 80 or 90 or 100 and leave room for you sub from 30-75.

dont do that if you want any punch in your kick on a sub. cut at 45ish hz instead. unless you choose not to sidechain

45 is way too heavy if you are rolling a deep bassline. I try to avoid sidechaining at all costs, unless it is for the effect. I can get a real good punch at 80-95hz and not affect the sub bass.

[hutyluty]

909 hi passed @ 55hz
808 lo passed @ 60 hz

can't go wrong.

I use sidechaining if i want a more natural sounding sub (ie. ripped off burial).

[jetpack]

909 hi passed @ 55hz
808 lo passed @ 60 hz

can't go wrong.

I use sidechaining if i want a more natural sounding sub (ie. ripped off burial).

Has to be a gentle roll off...steep still sounds heavy @ 55-65

[hutyluty]

909 hi passed @ 55hz
808 lo passed @ 60 hz

can't go wrong.

I use sidechaining if i want a more natural sounding sub (ie. ripped off burial).

Has to be a gentle roll off...steep still sounds heavy @ 55-65

Aye, when i said hi-passed/lo-passed i meant like on a parametric eq

I'm on reason 4 so do it all by ear anyhow

[subfect]

Sidechaining is good, but just find a good kick sample. High pass the kick at 80 or 90 or 100 and leave room for you sub from 30-75.

dont do that if you want any punch in your kick on a sub. cut at 45ish hz instead. unless you choose not to sidechain

i don't do this. I can't. In fact I hate side-chaining for mixing, and much prefer it for creative effects.

[fragments]

Alternatively to all this you could arrange the tune so the sub and the kick don't hit at the same time or find a nice subby kick and let the kick be the sub bass portion of the tune. I find this is the easiest way to deal with this issue, though I've used all the methods listed above deal with this issue.

[MaZa1]

909 hi passed @ 55hz
808 lo passed @ 60 hz

can't go wrong.

I use sidechaining if i want a more natural sounding sub (ie. ripped off burial).

This is how to get more weight to kicks?

[hutyluty]

909 hi passed @ 55hz
808 lo passed @ 60 hz

can't go wrong.

I use sidechaining if i want a more natural sounding sub (ie. ripped off burial).

This is how to get more weight to kicks?

Well maybe, if you wanted a really heavy kick.

808 is the sub, 909 is the kick. Generally they dont play the same thing.

Thats how i do it anyway.

[MaZa1]

909 hi passed @ 55hz
808 lo passed @ 60 hz

can't go wrong.

I use sidechaining if i want a more natural sounding sub (ie. ripped off burial).

This is how to get more weight to kicks?

Well maybe, if you wanted a really heavy kick.

808 is the sub, 909 is the kick. Generally they dont play the same thing.

Thats how i do it anyway.

So you dont have any other sub? Im really trying to get more heavier kicks, so that i can get some boom to my kick when listening with subwoofer since all my kicks are peaking too high now..

[hutyluty]

Well, if you sidechain the 808 you could probably have another sub in there if you wanted punchy kicks aswell as loads of bass, but i find it unnecessary. Better to have the sub on its own down there imo, gives more clarity.

The 808 drum is basically a sine wave btw.