Hate and Opinions

[hifi]

does Hate/dislike have a bigger impact,influence on peoples opinions/how they think than love/like? (sorry if this is worded terribly, i'm tired [that's just an excuse] ) and if so, does that mean the people who follow ,say an opinion leader ,are insecure about themselves in some sort of way? at my school it seems that way (trying to get why this happens) since someone who could actually think for themselves has control over others. (pls tell me if I am making any coherent sense at all here)

is being cynical cool nowadays? if some opinion leader is so cynical is there in the slightest form jealously in said person/insecurity? i may be going crazy here but I am trying to get sense out of this

this is regarding subjects/stuff that is based around opinions... i.e. music, clothing , etc

[knell]

hate is a form of promotion, there's no such thing as bad publicity these days. if anything, the hate helps to rise people above the din of spam that is the online music industry.

i'll easily admit, i'm guilty of following the hate promo as well. if i hadn't heard people hating on hopsin, lil b and flocka, i never would have listened to them to see what all the fuss is about. in turn, i enjoyed some of what they produce, even though the people i heard it from would insult them constantly.

[hifi]

hate is a form of promotion, there's no such thing as bad publicity these days. if anything, the hate helps to rise people above the din of spam that is the online music industry.

i'll easily admit, i'm guilty of following the hate promo as well. if i hadn't heard people hating on hopsin, lil b and flocka, i never would have listened to them to see what all the fuss is about. in turn, i enjoyed some of what they produce, even though the people i heard it from would insult them constantly.

thank you, could you possibly give me a psychological answer on this?

[jameshk]

Don't worry about peoples opinions too much. At the end of the day, no one else's opinion really matters. So just roll with it.

[hifi]

Don't worry about peoples opinions too much. At the end of the day, no one else's opinion really matters. So just roll with it.

i just want to understand why people worry, why are there opinion leaders

[knell]

i just want to understand why people worry, why are there opinion leaders

the idea of "why" is a psychologists turmoil... there is never a clear and easy answer to this question.

herd mentality, obstruction of competition, jealousy, self-importance, balance of influence, "street cred", "swag" (whatever you want to call it)... all of these and so much more play into the phenomenons you're curious about.

you have to view it on a case-by-case basis if you even hope to find some sort of semblance of an answer

[AllNightDayDream]

Not everyone has the time, dedication, or even interest to think. They have others do it for Them. I wouldnt Say being cynical is "cool", but being excessively cynical is pretty pretentious, which is appealing to some. I consider myself a fairly cynical person but there should be a balance, and I am fairly optimistic about certain things in this world.

It's good to think for yourself and all that. Just be prepared to be wrong and try to be humble about it.

[wormcode]

I'm cynical to the point of it causing stress amongst people I know. I don't even notice it, but it angers them when I spout off 'negative' remarks. I consider myself a realist, but I suppose it's a fine line.

Can't tell if it's worded terribly or not since I've been drinking since 11am yesterday. I'm not even sure I understand the question.

Also I've never heard hopsin, lil b and flocka as knelly mentioned just now. I'll probablyt look them up now. I've seen the name lil b but never listened before. Off I go. Expecting it to be shit btw.

edit: aww it's part of this kraeyshawn stuff. other than that couple of the tunes were cool .

[dubfordessert]

i fail to see how an affirmative answer to your first question would lead you to infer an affirmative answer to the second...

people follow "opinion leaders" for several reasons. one because they respect their judgement enough to think seriously on their opinions even if they don't agree with them. two because there isn't enough time in the day for someone personally to discern the good stuff from the torrent of stuff that comes out, so they defer to someone who has the time (this isn't always "not thinking" to be fair). three, because they want to be seen as having the "right opinions" and getting their info from the "right people" (so yeah a matter of ego and herd mentality).

basically being an opinion leader doesn't necessarily have much to do with "thinking" and more to do with the currency of reputation. no i don't think it makes a huge difference if it is like or hate. i don't know about this "control" shtick. people are too quick to turn any whiff of human non-individuality into a rant about sheep, when the reality is that these are natural and often useful behaviours.

[Pedro Sánchez]

Don't worry about peoples opinions too much. At the end of the day, no one else's opinion really matters. So just roll with it.

i just want to understand why people worry, why are there opinion leaders

Well when the food goes short in my post apocalyptic bunker, you can bet your arse my opinions are held with upmost superiority.

[JTMMusicuk]

haters gun' hate

[jaydot]

Haters are motivators

[davwuh]

Dubstep is full of hate these days, but thats natural when a scene grows so big

[idontreallygiveashit]

Ask ivacep.

[aeherts12]

most of the time, people hate on things because it is a defense mechanism. from a psychologists perspective, it helps them cope with something that is a threat to what they believe in or feel is normal (since normal leads to prospering and not normal leads to death in a historical point of view). its in human nature to hate things that are different and are a threat to the accepted "norm." take skrillex for example. he put a spin on dubstep. even though a lot of what he does is not dubstep, and people have been doing the same stuff before hand but it just hasnt gotten this huge until him. from what ive gotten from going through youtube, people hate on him because he is not a "pure" producer and dj. i.e. he uses a trigger finger (but evolved to pioneers around Ultra time this year) and his music is so different. old UKF purists that love rusko, datsik, or even going back to the first dubstep producers from Radio-1's old old old show can't stand it because it is "high pitched noise and lasers set to 140 bpm." it's not the same, so they hate on it. it's all a defense mechanism to keep things the same to ensure our primal instinct of survival. and that whole deal with people following opinion leaders: if they are convincing enough that something is a threat, people follow suit. damn post number 1 was a doozy. sorry for rambling, this just caught my interest. feel free to correct any of my info too... its not like i study dubsteps history (just some two second research)

[bright maroon]

ok - You have a group of people who are working to make something...vaguely...

They all put in their individuals contributions...
and when everyone agrees that each others input is in line with...

their collective understanding of what that vague thing is

then the collective gets stronger - the abstract idea that they are all sharing comes to life


now add a clown that is doing something completely offbase and refuses to respect the original abstract thing...


It wouldn't be such a problem if the clown had some distance and hadn't smeared the original concept...

so in this case - an aggressive renaming of genre may have helped

fundemental problem of genre

[bright maroon]

so in line with the hate thread...

defining what something isn't is also helpful

[noam]

most of the time, people hate on things because it is a defense mechanism. from a psychologists perspective, it helps them cope with something that is a threat to what they believe in or feel is normal (since normal leads to prospering and not normal leads to death in a historical point of view). its in human nature to hate things that are different and are a threat to the accepted "norm." take skrillex for example. he put a spin on dubstep. even though a lot of what he does is not dubstep, and people have been doing the same stuff before hand but it just hasnt gotten this huge until him. from what ive gotten from going through youtube, people hate on him because he is not a "pure" producer and dj. i.e. he uses a trigger finger (but evolved to pioneers around Ultra time this year) and his music is so different. old UKF purists that love rusko, datsik, or even going back to the first dubstep producers from Radio-1's old old old show can't stand it because it is "high pitched noise and lasers set to 140 bpm." it's not the same, so they hate on it. it's all a defense mechanism to keep things the same to ensure our primal instinct of survival. and that whole deal with people following opinion leaders: if they are convincing enough that something is a threat, people follow suit. damn post number 1 was a doozy. sorry for rambling, this just caught my interest. feel free to correct any of my info too... its not like i study dubsteps history (just some two second research)

i hate you ^^^

[bright maroon]

I think the problem comes...

when individuals trying to define the world for themselves...
are misunderstood as attempting to control others...

but then again - alot of people are trying to control the external...

I get embarassed now to tell people I listen to dubstep out of fear of them thinking I mean the wrong thing

so I just say electronic dance music

...and not edm because that sounds arrogant...



I don't really talk.

[bright maroon]

..and I'm not hating on smearing per say

in this specific instance I mean to grotesquely obscure to an unlikening of the original negatively