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Rly?

Good point.

No idea why that would be the case. People who crack software aren't going to mess about in
the actual engine etc..

Not true... sad to say i may or may not know firsthand

OfficialDAPT wrote:Not true... sad to say i may or may not know firsthand

Naughty naughty boy
On the flip side you probably have more money in the bank than me

lloydy wrote:

OfficialDAPT wrote:Not true... sad to say i may or may not know firsthand

Naughty naughty boy
On the flip side you probably have more money in the bank than me

Its true I have some of money in the bank but not after i go to college... I'll be broke as sheeeiiiittt

OfficialDAPT wrote:

lloydy wrote:

OfficialDAPT wrote:Not true... sad to say i may or may not know firsthand

Naughty naughty boy
On the flip side you probably have more money in the bank than me

Its true I have some of money in the bank but not after i go to college... I'll be broke as sheeeiiiittt

I'll be broke with you

AxeD wrote:No idea why that would be the case. People who crack software aren't going to mess about in
the actual engine etc..

Hmm, dangerous topic here.

Probably not on purpose, but depending on where the security checks exist in the software, they might have to. Stuff like Cubase has a lot of callbacks and security checks all over the place which is why people are reluctant to attempt to reverse engineer it. It takes thousands upon thousands of hours to even make a dent since so much of the code is wrapped in protection, and unfortunately for legitimate users having that much protection also messes with the stability and speed of the software itself, not to mention the dongle I have to stick in whenever I want to open it haha.

It's hard to even find info on the protection, and Syncrosoft shut down but it's called MCFACT and another company has since aquired the technology: http://www.whitecryption.com/company/news/2010_01_12

wormcode wrote: not to mention the dongle I have to stick in whenever I want to open it

so thats how its called these days

AIR stated that 30% of cpu overhead for Cubase was copy protection related. Don't know if that is in fact true, but it is believable.

Perej, step your game up man, seriously. Cracks = cracked sound/cracked computer/cracked os/cracked production/cracked music = wasted time and effort. If you use a crack and are like yeah this is cool, I want to use this, buy that shit, it is not just a glib phrase. By extension, if you must, only use cracks of things that you have the capability of buying. Honestly, you will get nowhere with music if you continue down the path that you are on. A hundred legit producers could come in here and confirm that, but they don't give even a quarter of a fuck about you so won't bother. I'm telling you for real.

nowaysj wrote:AIR stated that 30% of cpu overhead for Cubase was copy protection related. Don't know if that is in fact true, but it is believable.

Perej, step your game up man, seriously. Cracks = cracked sound/cracked computer/cracked os/cracked production/cracked music = wasted time and effort. If you use a crack and are like yeah this is cool, I want to use this, buy that shit, it is not just a glib phrase. By extension, if you must, only use cracks of things that you have the capability of buying. Honestly, you will get nowhere with music if you continue down the path that you are on. A hundred legit producers could come in here and confirm that, but they don't give even a quarter of a fuck about you so won't bother. I'm telling you for real.

really? cause the majority of producers i follow who were asked about it said they used 'dodgy' copies of software when they first started making beats.

some teenage girl using a cracked copy of photoshop to enhance her facebook profile pic isnt going to ruin adobe. maybe some years later she'll buy it for uni cause she got into visual design that way.
what will ruin developers is when their target audience suddenly decides not to pay for stuff anymore. thats why its so important to have industry standards for professionals and companies. i dare you to find any office using computers with cracked copies of windows on them. and i dearly hope that any musician who makes a reasonable amount of money with the programs he's using has acquired legitimate copies with said money. anything else would make them an asshole.

It may suck for developers, but cracked software is one of the best things that's ever happened to music...actually fuck it, pirating in general has given independent musicians a chance. I still buy as much as I can, but if the choice is between downloading something or having the quality of my work suffer, the choice is pretty obvious. Even when I do eventually buy everything I'll probably revert to the cracked versions so I don't have to deal with dongles and all that bullshit...a lot of my friends have done the same.

But again, it's a horrible thing to do to developers. Don't know of any producers that started on legit software to be honest though. You'd have to be a moron to drop half a grand on one program when you're still feeling out the whole process.

Attila wrote:It may suck for developers, but cracked software is one of the best things that's ever happened to music...actually fuck it, pirating in general has given independent musicians a chance. I still buy as much as I can, but if the choice is between downloading something or having the quality of my work suffer, the choice is pretty obvious. Even when I do eventually buy everything I'll probably revert to the cracked versions so I don't have to deal with dongles and all that bullshit...a lot of my friends have done the same.

But again, it's a horrible thing to do to developers. Don't know of any producers that started on legit software to be honest though. You'd have to be a moron to drop half a grand on one program when you're still feeling out the whole process.

you are now giving me the reminding of my favorite grandfather when is becoming confused with wearing a dress!

As musicians - piracy effects you negatively.

Dont justify pirating one material over another.

At the end of the day if your the type to say things like

pirating in general has given independent musicians a chance.

Id be terrified to ever share anything with you, or to instill any sort of trust in you. Piracy has HURT indie musicians who dont get signing bonuses more then any other area of the economy.

Basic A wrote:As musicians - piracy effects you negatively.

Dont justify pirating one material over another.

At the end of the day if your the type to say things like

pirating in general has given independent musicians a chance.

Id be terrified to ever share anything with you, or to instill any sort of trust in you. Piracy has HURT indie musicians who dont get signing bonuses more then any other area of the economy.

I would argue that the theoretical infliction of economic damage done by piracy to small musicians is entirely irrelevant. I do not like to see the musician and the businessman conflated.

I'm sure it's true that piracy is bad for musicians whose goal is to make money at music, for a variety of reasons.

I believe piracy is good for musicians who create music for the sake of music creation.

hasezwei wrote: cause the majority of producers i follow who were asked about it said they used 'dodgy' copies of software when they first started making beats.

Times have totally changed. The quality of free instruments is off the chain nowadays. If that shit was available back in the day, it would have been a dream. $60 for a serious daw, and days of free top level instruments and fx... Also, the quality of copy protection has been stepped up, so there are many problems introduced from using cracks, not everything is immediately apparent. Also notice the producers you reference used dodgy copies when they started but stepped their game up. Like I said, if you must use a crack, use one that you are capable of purchasing because if you are going to make music for reals, you're going to purchase it.

hasezwei wrote:some teenage girl using a cracked copy of photoshop to enhance her facebook profile pic isnt going to ruin adobe.

Who the fuck was talking about the rights of the developers? No one. I'm not making any kind of moral/ethical argument. What I said was for Perej's own personal benefit. Perej has just been posting wasteman shit, and this is just one more part of it. I'm suggesting that Perej step up his game, respect himself, his music and his community a bit more.

Jas0n wrote:

Basic A wrote:As musicians - piracy effects you negatively.

Dont justify pirating one material over another.

At the end of the day if your the type to say things like

pirating in general has given independent musicians a chance.

Id be terrified to ever share anything with you, or to instill any sort of trust in you. Piracy has HURT indie musicians who dont get signing bonuses more then any other area of the economy.

I would argue that the theoretical infliction of economic damage done by piracy to small musicians is entirely irrelevant. I do not like to see the musician and the businessman conflated.

I'm sure it's true that piracy is bad for musicians whose goal is to make money at music, for a variety of reasons.

I believe piracy is good for musicians who create music for the sake of music creation.

no because even if you are in it 100% for the love its wonderful to have things like vinyl culture, ect, and piracy killed the indie label, even half the reputable labels in the scene cant afford to press wax. its not about making a profit, its about having the flow to even deliver a product... software is so expensive because noone buys it, indie music is so cheap because noone buys it, when you pair these two, no indie musician can afford to buy his/her instruments of choice. the label then has no funds to deliver merch/physical products or throw nights, the promotion gets pidgeonholed to what you can do online for free, and hundreds of gifted producers end up stuck on dubstepforum feedback threads instead of being out murking big systems with indie records, having a blast, like the good ole days.

wormcode wrote:

AxeD wrote:No idea why that would be the case. People who crack software aren't going to mess about in
the actual engine etc..

Hmm, dangerous topic here.

Probably not on purpose, but depending on where the security checks exist in the software, they might have to. Stuff like Cubase has a lot of callbacks and security checks all over the place which is why people are reluctant to attempt to reverse engineer it. It takes thousands upon thousands of hours to even make a dent since so much of the code is wrapped in protection, and unfortunately for legitimate users having that much protection also messes with the stability and speed of the software itself, not to mention the dongle I have to stick in whenever I want to open it haha.

It's hard to even find info on the protection, and Syncrosoft shut down but it's called MCFACT and another company has since aquired the technology: http://www.whitecryption.com/company/news/2010_01_12

Hm I guess that's true. I always though the code guys could probably make out which part is about protection. But yeah it might
be all tangled up.

nowaysj wrote: If you use a crack and are like yeah this is cool, I want to use this, buy that shit

Doing this with Live 8 right now. I figured I would need a bit of time before I decide.
They expect me to pay 280 euros for something that does drums without step sequencers

AxeD wrote:drums without step sequencers

$99 in '99 for fruity loops, step sequencer included, helped get that company off the ground

nowaysj wrote: What I said was for Perej's own personal benefit.

Duly noted, thanks.

nowaysj wrote: Perej has just been posting wasteman shit

Who are you?

nowaysj wrote: up his game, respect himself, his music and his community a bit more.

....what? I was asking a question. I have a legit copy of FL. I don't see why I shouldn't be allowed to ask such a question. I'm still quite new to all this.. sorry

Still just trying to learn things.

That statement is extremely presumptuous. I do respect my music. I pay for my sample packs and buy music. Seems like a bit of a cuntish thing to say.

Please don't say wasteman either.