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OneKnobEffects! (proposed project)
Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2012 10:12 am
by NinjaEdit
I'd like to create a set of freeware VST plugins which only have one simple knob (and possibly in/out gain). It is inspired by the Solid State Logic LMC-1 and in some ways the Blockfish.
The knob would change a number of parameters which are set to some aesthetic value. For example, the knob on the compressor would turn up the ratio, turn down the threshhold, and turn down the attack at some appropriate rate.
All the effects would be there:
Band pass: (rolls off unwanted low and high frequencies for head room)
Tone
Low shelf
High Shelf
Compressor
Limiter
Transient shaper
Gate
Envelope shaper
Delay
Reverb
Slapback
Distortion
Waveshaper
Chorus
Flanger
Phaser
Pitch shift
Fine tune
Stereo width
Bass monoiser
Synth
Sampler
+ whatver else
I haven't really spent time creating VSTs. I thought I would open this up for discussion and contributions (basically you making some

).
Re: OneKnobEffects! (proposed project)
Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2012 10:23 am
by Brothulhu
1 Knob is not really appropriate for most of these imo, I'm all for simplifying things but this seems too much.
Here's my thoughts on the proposed ones (bare in mind I'm still a newbie):
Band pass - I guess this could work if the knob controls the range but another knob for frequency would make it much more useful
Tone - unsure what this would do, change the pitch?
Low shelf - same as bandpass
High Shelf - same as bandpass
Compressor - I'm only just coming to grips with compression and I use very different setting on each type of sound, 1 knob would be useless to me
Limiter - Same as compression
Transient shaper - Haven't used one before but it doesn't seem like it would work with one knob
Gate - Havn't used, unsure
Envelope shaper - Would need at least 4 knobs
Delay - If you got the settings right you could probably have a really basic delay on one knob
Reverb - Same as above
Slapback - Isn't this just a different kind of delay?
Distortion - You could only really have one type of distortion per VST using 1 control and a dry/wet knob would be needed too I'd think
Waveshaper - Same as above
Chorus - same as delay
Flanger - same as delay
Phaser - same as delay
Pitch shift - I guess but extra controlls like time shift and resampling technique would be nice (like the controlls of FL's sampler)
Fine tune - Sure
Stereo width - A basic one yeah
Bass monoiser - Could be the same plugin as above, fully stereo one end and fully mono the other
Synth - No
Sampler - No
Re: OneKnobEffects! (proposed project)
Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2012 10:25 am
by wub
The Blockfish has at least 4 knobs that I can think of...what if you wanted to keep the ratio down whilst turning the threshold up?
Re: OneKnobEffects! (proposed project)
Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2012 11:09 am
by NinjaEdit
Thanks for the replies.
Tone - unsure what this would do, change the pitch?
Make the sound darker or brighter. They're on guitars and old car stereos. They are actually one knob.
Delay - If you got the settings right you could probably have a really basic delay on one knob
This is really want I want to do with the rest of them. Basic is probably the word.
Distortion - You could only really have one type of distortion per VST using 1 control and a dry/wet knob would be needed too I'd think
It could me more dry and less distorted or more distorted and less dry. Like "hardly any distortion" versus "alot of distortion."
Stereo width - A basic one yeah
Bass monoiser - Could be the same plugin as above, fully stereo one end and fully mono the other
Yeah, that works. Monoising the bass, and controlling the stereo width of everything else.
what if you wanted to keep the ratio down whilst turning the threshold up?
You'd have to compromise or use a different compressor.

Re: OneKnobEffects! (proposed project)
Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2012 11:25 am
by Radiant
jonahmann wrote:
what if you wanted to keep the ratio down whilst turning the threshold up?
You'd have to compromise or use a different compressor.

As for the compressor, maybe you could one for each specific purpose, for ex. hard knee compression to make your drums sound punchy, gentle compression for overall compression, and so on. That could work, and would definitely be user-friendly to those trying to grasp the concept of how it effects sound. Sounds like a tough challenge! I know for one I'd like to be able to tweak my compression to the fullest, but if this gets the job done, then I might end up using it!
Re: OneKnobEffects! (proposed project)
Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2012 11:51 am
by Brothulhu
Radiant wrote:jonahmann wrote:
what if you wanted to keep the ratio down whilst turning the threshold up?
You'd have to compromise or use a different compressor.

As for the compressor, maybe you could one for each specific purpose, for ex. hard knee compression to make your drums sound punchy, gentle compression for overall compression, and so on. That could work, and would definitely be user-friendly to those trying to grasp the concept of how it effects sound. Sounds like a tough challenge! I know for one I'd like to be able to tweak my compression to the fullest, but if this gets the job done, then I might end up using it!
That destroys the whole idea, why would you want to have a bunch of simple 1 knob compressors that you have to use a different one for each job when you could just get one decent compressor, spend an hour or two learning it then just use it for it all and get a better result?
Re: OneKnobEffects! (proposed project)
Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2012 12:20 pm
by AxeD
Compressor with one knob doesn't make sense to me.
1 knob delay is weird too, even more if you'd also want a 1 knob slapback. Because you can make everything from chorus to
slapback with a regular delay unit.
Wouldn't it be easier just to have patches for fx units?
Re: OneKnobEffects! (proposed project)
Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2012 12:30 pm
by Augment
most of the suggestions would be better off with two knobs. Like transient shapers, they are really basic, the whole shaping thing only uses two knobs, then you have gain. If you could make all of these effects into one VST, and all were like 2 knob effects, it'd be pretty cool.
Re: OneKnobEffects! (proposed project)
Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2012 12:39 pm
by Mindforce
A like the idea. But simply put... It sounds impractical to me

Re: OneKnobEffects! (proposed project)
Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2012 12:40 pm
by Sharmaji
it's a great idea.
...one which waves developed a couple of years ago:
http://www.waves.com/content.aspx?id=11575
FWIW sonalksis also has some super-high-quality, almost-1-knob plugs that i use all the time. simplicity is a good thing.
Re: OneKnobEffects! (proposed project)
Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2012 1:57 pm
by Fbac
^this.
Plus why a Knob?? You can design anything in software XD ,,, maybe X-Y controls via cam and traction software... or a 3-d rubiks cube 0__0 Also , fabfilters Knobs tend to a have a knob inside a knob (panning and so on)
Re: OneKnobEffects! (proposed project)
Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2012 2:44 pm
by NinjaEdit
I was suprised they have the same name and punctuation.
Maybe a bunch of two-parameter effects with (x, y) controllers is the way to go.
Re: OneKnobEffects! (proposed project)
Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2012 4:11 pm
by outbound
+1 on checking out those waves series.
I really like the oneknob style stuff. There are a lot of plugins that give you plenty of freedom to shape the sound and while that quality is useful sometimes, other times it's a hinderance. If I'm trying to lay a track down quickly I don't want to be tweaking setting after setting to dial in a tone for a sound that appears once in my song. I want to go right this sounds weak let's get the 'phatter' plugin or the 'bassier' plugin, whack it up, too much? okay back it off a bit and bam it's near enough there. Obviously these are mostly useless with higher end tasks like buss processing or mastering which need more attention to detail but again for simple tasks they work wonders at saving time that can be better spent elsewhere.

Re: OneKnobEffects! (proposed project)
Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2012 4:25 pm
by OfficialDAPT
outbound wrote:+1 on checking out those waves series.
I really like the oneknob style stuff. There are a lot of plugins that give you plenty of freedom to shape the sound and while that quality is useful sometimes, other times it's a hinderance. If I'm trying to lay a track down quickly I don't want to be tweaking setting after setting to dial in a tone for a sound that appears once in my song. I want to go right this sounds weak let's get the 'phatter' plugin or the 'bassier' plugin, whack it up, too much? okay back it off a bit and bam it's near enough there. Obviously these are mostly useless with higher end tasks like buss processing or mastering which need more attention to detail but again for simple tasks they work wonders at saving time that can be better spent elsewhere.

Exactly, one knob plugins could potentially be great CPU savers, if they were made right. You could then save your CPU for FX on the bus channels.
Re: OneKnobEffects! (proposed project)
Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2012 5:39 pm
by Eridu
sugar bytes turnado does this
Re: OneKnobEffects! (proposed project)
Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2012 6:18 pm
by dublerium
Sharmaji wrote:it's a great idea.
...one which waves developed a couple of years ago:
http://www.waves.com/content.aspx?id=11575
FWIW sonalksis also has some super-high-quality, almost-1-knob plugs that i use all the time. simplicity is a good thing.
This, as soon as I read it I thought of the waves one knob series which I haven't used myself but have read/heard that they are very nice. Agreed o the sonalksis plugs, the tbk is such a nice filter.
Re: OneKnobEffects! (proposed project)
Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2012 9:11 pm
by Comfi
You could have one knob, but have some parameters controlled by the input signal eg peak, freqeuncy spectrum/ volume.
Though I think you may need more knobs.
I wish I had more knobs that controlled different things and not just sex and piss.
I also wish that I could twist one of my knobs to change things in my life/tv channel.
Re: OneKnobEffects! (proposed project)
Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2012 9:27 pm
by wormcode
Not free but...
The Sonalksis TBK and TBK2 offer single knob filters, compression, distortion, bitcrushing and odd effects. Very nice designs and very nice plugins. I recommend those. I really dislike Waves personally, but yeah they did that too.
For free check out The One Knob series
http://www.musicxart.co.uk/html/downloads.html
Re: OneKnobEffects! (proposed project)
Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2012 10:03 pm
by sunny_b_uk
my idea would be to have 2 knobs in 1 knob bit like fabfilter stuff, but have the right mouse click button controlling the other parameter. how simple would that be for the user

(although i use synthmaker i wouldnt know how to imply that with code)
Re: OneKnobEffects! (proposed project)
Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2012 2:49 pm
by Fbac
what about instead of knobs it was pacman!
like a pacman game that controlled the effects xD