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Hey ive been currently saving up some money, thinking about buying reason 6 but not shure if its worth it or not so thats why im asking all you reason users.. not shure if its the best to make music on or it is,please let me know. How is reason for you and how much do you like it?

No, buy flstudio producer ($116 right now) and a good vst synth like massive or zebra. Much cheaper, more versatile, better sound quality and results, no bullshit dongle.

Why don't you download the demo and see for yourself if you like it. You could also just get Reason Essentials for €99 and then upgrade later if you want. Alternatively you could go for something like Reaper which i think costs around €40 and then get something like Komplete (version 9 will probably be out next month) or D-cam synth squad.

The thing about Reason is it isn't really for beginners or people who use presets a lot. You really have to know what you are doing with it and also be prepared to put in the time to make your own sounds and take full advantage of of the routing possibilities.

puzzlefactory wrote:Why don't you download the demo and see for yourself if you like it. You could also just get Reason Essentials for €99 and then upgrade later if you want. Alternatively you could go for something like Reaper which i think costs around €40 and then get something like Komplete (version 9 will probably be out next month) or D-cam synth squad.

The thing about Reason is it isn't really for beginners or people who use presets a lot. You really have to know what you are doing with it and also be prepared to put in the time to make your own sounds and take full advantage of of the routing possibilities.

Agree with the first part, Disagree with the second. Reason is probably the best daw for learning, Tons of company tutorials on youtube and what not
plenty of active forum members. Great product support in general...
A lot of producers fess up to having learned on reason,
that being said a lot of producers usually also fess up to moving on from reason...

Yeah, it is true that Reason has a strong community and there are a ton of videos both on the Propellerheads website and on YouTube. I myself learnt with it (as well as Logic, I've always used more than one platform).

The reason I said that it wasn't for beginners or preset users is that there is a common type of thread on the Propellerheads forum saying something like "Reason doesn't sound as good as -insert preset synth here-". If you want something with amazing presets straight out the box then Reason isn't for you, if you are prepared to put a bit of time and effort in, then yeah Reason is great and can be a lot of fun to work with.

Nah dont buy reason 6. Buy reason 4, its all you neeeed.

If you like learning and doing almost everything by yourself, then reason is what you want, but if you like using vst synths and presets (yes, you can find combinator patches too) then I think FL is better. Or some other DAW but i'm familiar with FL so thats why i'm saying it.
But like someone said, download the demo and try it.

I haven't used it since 1.0 or so, but recently been using it again at a friends studio. I didn't find a learning curve at all, seems like every other DAW to me these days besides the interface (sound too obviously, since everything is proprietary except the new rack extensions which are sold separately). I will say I absolutely hate having to run the rack in windowed mode. On a big monitor, my eyes were killing me and I get headaches every time because the interface is SO small. I thought they would have fixed that by now, but they seem slow or reluctant to change anything. Dongles are a pain, and they use one now but I've already grown used to them over the years so whatever. Using VSTs with it is easy enough though.

I'd consider buying it, yeah. It's definitely a good product minus those issues.

Yes get reason. It's all inclusive and the best stability of any of daw on the market

ehbrums1 wrote:It's all inclusive and the best stability of any of daw on the market

Just doesn't apply anymore.

Reason is also one of the most expensive daws w the most limitations, and the actually inferior sound engine.

Does anyone actually have proof of this so called inferior sound engine

ehbrums1 wrote:Does anyone actually have proof of this so called inferior sound engine

I dunno if I'd call it inferior, but it definitely sounds like Reason assuming you're not using samples and outside software. It's all proprietary so of course the internal synths and effects can retain some Reason character. I think there is also a compressor/limiter on the master by default as well? (Several people told me that over the years anyway.) It uses a 32bit floating point engine though like any other modern DAW, however some are now using up to 64bit.

Also AFAIK it doesn't support exporting higher than 24bit files while some DAWs allow for 32bit renders which some people prefer. I find 24bit sufficient in my other software and from my understanding the difference is negligible. You can convert between the 2 freely without worrying about dither etc.

As of the (recently released) Reason 6.5, Reason now supports "Rack Extensions"—which are (more or less) VSTs/VSTis made just for Reason. In other words, OTHER companies write the algorithms, etc. running the Extension Rack devices. As of right now, they all seem to be reasonably priced, as well. I've tried a few out and they definitely each have a unique sound.

Nothing can replace trying out a demo of the software for yourself. But if you're worried about being trapped into a "Reason sound", don't be, especially now...

*Cough* Ableton

ehbrums1 wrote:Does anyone actually have proof of this so called inferior sound engine

Heard tests done in prolly ~ 2008 with reason rendered and reason rewired, and I was very surprised to hear a difference. I don't know if they've since updated their sound engine, but at that time the difference was demonstrable. You may be able to hear for yourself, as the files were posted here. I believe by a poster named jackyboi or some such thing. Think he since changed his name to miscreant.

Thanks everyone for feedback or whatever its called lol, I'll check it out!

nowaysj wrote:

ehbrums1 wrote:Does anyone actually have proof of this so called inferior sound engine

Heard tests done in prolly ~ 2008 with reason rendered and reason rewired, and I was very surprised to hear a difference. I don't know if they've since updated their sound engine, but at that time the difference was demonstrable. You may be able to hear for yourself, as the files were posted here. I believe by a poster named jackyboi or some such thing. Think he since changed his name to miscreant.

Yeah it's been updated a lot since 2008

The reason sound is an urban myth. I've see tests done by a proper audio engineer and there is no coloration what so ever (other than what you add yourself of course).

But, in the underground "hobbyist/semi professional" producer scene the myth has spread amongst the uninformed. It's got to the stage now where it will never go away. I remember seeing a laughable master class with "Funtcase" where he sets up a weird EQ over the master because "everyone knows that Reason cuts certain frequencies from the mix" when he was mixing his tracks through one monitor.

ehbrums1 wrote:Yeah it's been updated a lot since 2008

I used to spend a fair bit of time on gearslutz, and from what I understood, not everyone was pleased with the sound engine before, but from Reason 6 and onwards the new mixer (and whatever colouration it may or may not have) has turned quite a few haters into lovers.

http://www.gearslutz.com/board/electron ... -good.html

Reason is all I have used for the most part, used Logic for a bit but since I am now on a PC again I don't. The sound engine argument is a bit BS, I have never really noticed any problems with it. Having said that it is hard to get a big or "phat" (for lack of a better word) sound out of it. You need to really know what your doing programming and how to use the effects properly. It's a world of difference with VST synths and I think synth 2 from logic where a single synth can sound awesome even when using presets. Reason you have to stack multiple synths and be a bit of a sound engineer to get the same results. Having said that the new Rack Extension synths in 6.5 are apparently pretty powerful, but have come at a cost of the well known stability and CPU friendliness.
All in all I would still recommend it. The GUI and cable routing make up for it's shortcomings.