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I want this to be precise as possible. I'm looking at my spectrum analyzer and I can't clearly see where it is the brightest colored. Using Massive, keeping the OSC pitch value at 0.00, and playing the note on the piano roll "E2", where does the frequency hit most? With nothing else effecting the wave. And what frequency should I cut out everything above that? What token percentage should it be?

I'm experimenting with my sub bass. I already got my drums set up, Kick and Snare hitting at -6db, the hi-hat hitting at -10 db, and I cut out all the low frequencies below at least 43hz on the kick drum. As well as raised the highs in the 16khz-18khz range by about 2.0 decibels for a more rich sound to the ears.

Now I have a bass line playing a SIMPLE sub bass hitting the notes E2, F2, and G2. With no other effects on the wave.

I'm wondering where I should cut out everything above, to not let the drum and sub clash together, and where the sub bass is most rich in frequency at exactly.
I'm only using the stock parametric equalizer preset on FL Studio for this.

Please and thank you.

technically speaking a sine wave is only 1 frequency - so wherever it shows highest on your analyzer is where it's hitting. PS E2, F2, G2 is way, way above sub bass levels You want E0, F0.etc. As for cutting it off - you have to look at where their frequencies sit and this takes practise if your sub is moving around.

Low pass a reference track and make yours look like that

subfect wrote:technically speaking a sine wave is only 1 frequency - so wherever it shows highest on your analyzer is where it's hitting. PS E2, F2, G2 is way, way above sub bass levels You want E0, F0.etc. As for cutting it off - you have to look at where their frequencies sit and this takes practise if your sub is moving around.

That depends on your synth.

jrisreal wrote:

subfect wrote:technically speaking a sine wave is only 1 frequency - so wherever it shows highest on your analyzer is where it's hitting. PS E2, F2, G2 is way, way above sub bass levels You want E0, F0.etc. As for cutting it off - you have to look at where their frequencies sit and this takes practise if your sub is moving around.

That depends on your synth.

On what part? If your synth creates a "sine wave" and you got a lot more frequences in there, it's not a sine wave. If you're talking about keys and octaves - there is a standard that should be followed. If your synth is outside of that then...

I was talking about octaves. Not sure what we're doing differently, but I can stick in octave 2 for subbass

Found this

http://www.phy.mtu.edu/~suits/notefreqs.html

hope it helps.

jrisreal wrote:I was talking about octaves. Not sure what we're doing differently, but I can stick in octave 2 for subbass

Pitched the osc down?

subfect wrote:technically speaking a sine wave is only 1 frequency - so wherever it shows highest on your analyzer is where it's hitting. PS E2, F2, G2 is way, way above sub bass levels You want E0, F0.etc. As for cutting it off - you have to look at where their frequencies sit and this takes practise if your sub is moving around.

E0 sine is much too low for most systems to reproduce. E2 is close to where your kick would usually be hitting...E1 is a really good sub note (41 Hz)

there might be some confusion though because Ableton live lists all of their octaves one lower for some reason in the midi editor. An E0 in ableton is actually an E1.

Check out this chart. E1 hits at 41.2034 and E2 hits at 82.4069. Of the two, I'd say go with E2. 41hz is too low for most systems to reproduce. You probably would have a hard time even hearing it well if you're using a pair of entry-level midfields.

Fauster wrote:Check out this chart. E1 hits at 41.2034 and E2 hits at 82.4069. Of the two, I'd say go with E2. 41hz is too low for most systems to reproduce. You probably would have a hard time even hearing it well if you're using a pair of entry-level midfields.

NEVER!

go with E1 if you cant hear it, it sounds great trust me.

All about D1 tho tbh

hutyluty wrote:

Fauster wrote:Check out this chart. E1 hits at 41.2034 and E2 hits at 82.4069. Of the two, I'd say go with E2. 41hz is too low for most systems to reproduce. You probably would have a hard time even hearing it well if you're using a pair of entry-level midfields.

NEVER!

go with E1 if you cant hear it, it sounds great trust me.

All about D1 tho tbh

This! E2 is too high, the chest thumping is octave lower.

Love D1 aswell

Fauster wrote:Check out this chart. E1 hits at 41.2034 and E2 hits at 82.4069. Of the two, I'd say go with E2. 41hz is too low for most systems to reproduce. You probably would have a hard time even hearing it well if you're using a pair of entry-level midfields.

I can feel and hear E1 sine great on my $150 sennheiser headphones. They can go down to about D1

E2 would completely clash with your kick

Justin Bays wrote:

Fauster wrote:Check out this chart. E1 hits at 41.2034 and E2 hits at 82.4069. Of the two, I'd say go with E2. 41hz is too low for most systems to reproduce. You probably would have a hard time even hearing it well if you're using a pair of entry-level midfields.

I can feel and hear E1 sine great on my $150 sennheiser headphones. They can go down to about D1

E2 would completely clash with your kick

I can hardly hear an E1 sine on my HS80Ms. The bass always clashes with the kick. That's what side-chaining is for.

Sennheiser makes great products. The truth is, most people listening to your track will not be listening on a system that reproduces 41 hz.

''There is no perfect sine wave, young Skywalker.''

Fauster wrote:

Justin Bays wrote:

Fauster wrote:Check out this chart. E1 hits at 41.2034 and E2 hits at 82.4069. Of the two, I'd say go with E2. 41hz is too low for most systems to reproduce. You probably would have a hard time even hearing it well if you're using a pair of entry-level midfields.

I can feel and hear E1 sine great on my $150 sennheiser headphones. They can go down to about D1

E2 would completely clash with your kick

I can hardly hear an E1 sine on my HS80Ms. The bass always clashes with the kick. That's what side-chaining is for.

Sennheiser makes great products. The truth is, most people listening to your track will not be listening on a system that reproduces 41 hz.

You're telling me side-chaining your kick is the only way to stop it from clashing with a 41 hz sine? I'm not surprised your monitors don't have strong ~40 hz though. Those monitors aren't meant to.

Fauster wrote:

Justin Bays wrote:

Fauster wrote:Check out this chart. E1 hits at 41.2034 and E2 hits at 82.4069. Of the two, I'd say go with E2. 41hz is too low for most systems to reproduce. You probably would have a hard time even hearing it well if you're using a pair of entry-level midfields.

I can feel and hear E1 sine great on my $150 sennheiser headphones. They can go down to about D1

E2 would completely clash with your kick

I can hardly hear an E1 sine on my HS80Ms. The bass always clashes with the kick. That's what side-chaining is for.

Sennheiser makes great products. The truth is, most people listening to your track will not be listening on a system that reproduces 41 hz.

couldn't disagree more.. hutyluty's got it!

Do you people seriously go this low for your subs? Most people aren't going to be able to hear it, isn't this taking away a lot of energy from the track that would be better spent an octave higher? Anyone know how low the 'pros' go?

Maxxan wrote:Do you people seriously go this low for your subs? Most people aren't going to be able to hear it, isn't this taking away a lot of energy from the track that would be better spent an octave higher? Anyone know how low the 'pros' go?

well im making it for myself not anyone else and i like the sub to be hitting my chest, by having a sub at E2 or whatever then youre just gonna be clashing with the low midrange or whatever



im pretty sure the sub here is C1 @2:50 yet it fits the tune perfectly

Justin Bays wrote:You're telling me side-chaining your kick is the only way to stop it from clashing with a 41 hz sine?

No, I was talking about your statement of "the kick would clash with a 82hz sine".

Justin Bays wrote:I'm not surprised your monitors don't have strong ~40 hz though. Those monitors aren't meant to.

Right. And neither are most listener's systems.



I'm not saying using E1 is a shit idea. Of course this is all preference. I'm just saying, in my opinion, E2 works a lot better for most tracks.