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the predictable rise of hardcore

Post by topmo3 » Thu Sep 13, 2012 6:58 am

for so long i've been thinking to myself that "ok last time the big thing in electronic music was house, and for a while now it's been all about techno so next up i'll guess it's gonna be hardcore / rave and such" and needless to say when i heard this on the radio this morning, i felt pretty good about myself :)

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Post by Phigure » Thu Sep 13, 2012 7:11 am

i don't think so...
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Re: the predictable rise of hardcore

Post by incnic » Thu Sep 13, 2012 9:28 am

dunno sounds a bit light and unmemorable to me
like stuff with breakbeats generally tho

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Re: the predictable rise of hardcore

Post by topmo3 » Thu Sep 13, 2012 10:02 am

well whatever then :|

i dunno what dialectics even are
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Post by Ni-Kulo » Thu Sep 13, 2012 10:06 am

we'll se about that :D:D

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Post by Sexual_Chocolate » Thu Sep 13, 2012 10:09 am

put a donk on it
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Post by pete_bubonic » Thu Sep 13, 2012 10:14 am

Was literally *just* having a conversation about this with my mate. With slow house being the in thing right now and being a veritable gold mine (it appeals to a lot older crowd, 30-40 years - thus a LOT more disposable income), it's going to be very popular for a while whilst all the kids keep hammering away at the adhd tweak house, complextro, brostep, whatever. So the next question is what's after that and my money is on Broken Beat/House, it had a little time to shine but the disappeared into the posh bars of west london I think. But as the original dubstep heads get older and older, and house needs to adapt (as it always does) to the crowd around it, more syncopated rhythms and staggered flows from dubstep will be reintroduced. Thus Broken Beat will rise again.

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I think hardcore had it's resurgence in the nu rave rise a few years back and unless people are going to try it authentically (ala Where were you in 92) then people are going to be very wary of it or it'll be flash in the pan.
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Re: the predictable rise of hardcore

Post by glottis5 » Thu Sep 13, 2012 11:23 am

topmo3 wrote:well whatever then :|

i dunno what dialectics even are
you don't? all the cool kids are talking about dialectics! it's the hot new thing

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Re: the predictable rise of hardcore

Post by glottis5 » Thu Sep 13, 2012 11:31 am

seriously tho, someone should write an essay applying hegel's dialectics to the cyclical (spiral) nature of dance music trends, or has simon reynolds has done it already?

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Post by ultraspatial » Thu Sep 13, 2012 5:15 pm

glottis5 wrote:seriously tho, someone should write an essay applying hegel's dialectics to the cyclical (spiral) nature of dance music trends, or has simon reynolds has done it already?
Read something like that not too long ago. Can't remember where or who wrote it though...

Regarding the thread, doubt there will ever be a hardcore/rave revival. The sound is way too dated. And even if you get the odd track, or even album (like Zomby's Where were u in 92 or Bong-Ra's Glowstyx) it's still more of a nostalgia thing that anything else. If you want a fresher take on hardcore/gabba look at the crossbreed scene.
As Pete said, I think it's far more likely that we'll see a return to broken beats, garage etc.
Also I'm pretty confident dubstep will "reinvent" itself, sort of like dnb today with all the autonomic/halfstep/"minimal" things going on.

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Post by seckle » Thu Sep 13, 2012 5:20 pm

pete bubonic wrote:Thus Broken Beat will rise again.
I thought the same after UK Funky got big, but alas.... You can imagine how the 4hero & Bugz crew must feel. Especially people like IG Culture, Dego, Domu, Daz I Cue & Seiji. If the internet was around and prevalent in 2000, Broken would have blown up worldwide. Especially when you consider the timing of Timberland's rise in hip hop in america, in which he was so clearly influenced by jungle/2step/broken (he's a prick for never owning up to it too...). Just listen to the early broken bits coming from london, 4-5 years ahead of timberland, and when his sound became so recognizable with the switch up snares....

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Post by Terpit » Thu Sep 13, 2012 6:04 pm

Nevalo wrote:put a donk on it
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Re: the predictable rise of hardcore

Post by topmo3 » Thu Sep 13, 2012 6:20 pm

ultraspatial wrote:
glottis5 wrote:seriously tho, someone should write an essay applying hegel's dialectics to the cyclical (spiral) nature of dance music trends, or has simon reynolds has done it already?
Read something like that not too long ago. Can't remember where or who wrote it though...

Regarding the thread, doubt there will ever be a hardcore/rave revival. The sound is way too dated. And even if you get the odd track, or even album (like Zomby's Where were u in 92 or Bong-Ra's Glowstyx) it's still more of a nostalgia thing that anything else. If you want a fresher take on hardcore/gabba look at the crossbreed scene.
As Pete said, I think it's far more likely that we'll see a return to broken beats, garage etc.
Also I'm pretty confident dubstep will "reinvent" itself, sort of like dnb today with all the autonomic/halfstep/"minimal" things going on.
return to garage? you mean, again? or are we talking about different garages?

i'm not that knowledgeable about drum and bass, but isn't all the autonomic/halfstep/minimal things another new way of making dnb rather than a return to where it all started?
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Post by Terpit » Thu Sep 13, 2012 6:22 pm

I reckon half step dnb is gonna be realy big soon, well hopefully
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Re: the predictable rise of hardcore

Post by ultraspatial » Thu Sep 13, 2012 6:59 pm

topmo3 wrote:
ultraspatial wrote:
glottis5 wrote:seriously tho, someone should write an essay applying hegel's dialectics to the cyclical (spiral) nature of dance music trends, or has simon reynolds has done it already?
Read something like that not too long ago. Can't remember where or who wrote it though...

Regarding the thread, doubt there will ever be a hardcore/rave revival. The sound is way too dated. And even if you get the odd track, or even album (like Zomby's Where were u in 92 or Bong-Ra's Glowstyx) it's still more of a nostalgia thing that anything else. If you want a fresher take on hardcore/gabba look at the crossbreed scene.
As Pete said, I think it's far more likely that we'll see a return to broken beats, garage etc.
Also I'm pretty confident dubstep will "reinvent" itself, sort of like dnb today with all the autonomic/halfstep/"minimal" things going on.
return to garage? you mean, again? or are we talking about different garages?

i'm not that knowledgeable about drum and bass, but isn't all the autonomic/halfstep/minimal things another new way of making dnb rather than a return to where it all started?
lol that's why I said "reinvent". Why would it go back to where it started? And it's not exactly new, just never fully explored.
As for garage, I'd love a breakbeat garage "revival".

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Re: the predictable rise of hardcore

Post by fractal » Thu Sep 13, 2012 7:37 pm

hip hop is getting the dancefloor love right now, with people diggin on the trap aspect of the sound

i've always been into anything slow and dreary tho



hopefully not one sound will be the next big thing, hopefully a mix of all kinds of shit will be the next big thing...
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Re: the predictable rise of hardcore

Post by idontreallygiveashit » Thu Sep 13, 2012 7:51 pm

Nevalo wrote:put a donk on it
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Re: the predictable rise of hardcore

Post by wubstep » Thu Sep 13, 2012 9:24 pm

The very concept of 'hip-hardcore' has made my day.





















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Re: the predictable rise of hardcore

Post by Sexual_Chocolate » Thu Sep 13, 2012 9:48 pm

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