How did "Pop" basically become Electro House/Trance

[ketamine]

Not that I have a problem with it.

Its just that, waaaaay back when my friends & I were buying vinyl Dance Remix LPs and being told we were weird for liking "techno"... and now literally 80% of radio music is outright Ibiza Music from 2001.

Strange how the world turns.

[fractal]

pop music is usually a couple of decades behind

[ketamine]

Basically what I'm saying is, what's played on the radio now, used to only be the Remixes of "normal songs" and now, the Normal Songs ARE the 4x4 sidechained dance remix.

Just wondering aloud, how it happened.

[ketamine]

pop music is usually a couple of decades behind

Yeah, probably.

[SCope13]

I'm actually really curious how that happened too, but I do know it's all fucking cheesy, formulaic shit.

[Brian Oblivion]

I dunno, I seem to remember a large portion of radio music in 2001 being ibiza club trance. I remember getting called a 'hippie' and a 'grunger' at high school for not exclusively listening to commercial dance muisc like most people. We are probably just from different parts of town so to speak, that was certainly the vibe round these ways. I remember tunes like 8pm till I come being huge around 1999/2000, I remember tunes like 3am eternal being huge around 1989/1990, I dunno if its really let up at any point in between in London at least.

[Genevieve]

Same way hip-hop and pop were the same damn thing from 10 to 5 years ago >.>

[gwa]

David guetta

[New Sense]

Ive noticed that pop music tends to go through phases where a genre is pushed into the mainstream, experiences a period of brief popularity to the point it is overplayed and diluted for the next 'fresh' genre to fill the gap. It happened with jungle, indie, rap, dubstep, garage, techno. You name it, its been raped commercially. That's 'pop'ular music for you though, a trend that appeal to the lowest common denominator for quick financial gain.

[Phigure]

David guetta

we have a winner

[mo_respect]

Tbh i think daft punk and girl talk are mostly to blame

[zerbaman]

What exactly does OP think Pop music is?
It's not a fucking genre, it's a market placement title. Pop is an abbreviation for popular. If you've seen it on telly, it's pop.

[wobbles]

you see it all started when the music industry CEO, or Gerald Pop, spend a summer in the Netherlands.

he was captivated by this sound that he heard in the raves, which is when pop music would change forever

he spend hours and hours in the studio working with key artists to cultivate this dutch house sound to bring upon the masses

some say that dutch house would inevitably be the sound of the future, but most say it was all because of Gerald Pop.

[Sexual_Chocolate]

David guetta

we have a winner

wrong.

i will tell you what the EXACT tune that started the change.

[mashmash]

I dunno, I seem to remember a large portion of radio music in 2001 being ibiza club trance. I remember getting called a 'hippie' and a 'grunger' at high school for not exclusively listening to commercial dance muisc like most people. We are probably just from different parts of town so to speak, that was certainly the vibe round these ways. I remember tunes like 8pm till I come being huge around 1999/2000, I remember tunes like 3am eternal being huge around 1989/1990, I dunno if its really let up at any point in between in London at least.

yeah i remember a lot of music in the charts here around the turn of the century was like funky house and commercial trance stuff. that chicane and bryan adams tune "don't give up" made it to number 1 in 2000

[Brian Oblivion]

Tbh i think daft punk and girl talk are mostly to blame

Daft Punk definitely brought that electro tinge to the mainstream. But they didn't really do much that wasnt been going on in the charts for half a decade before them. 2 unlimited, maxx, capella, glow worm, haddaway, n-trance, urban cookie collective, snap, toni di bart, reel 2 reel, the grid, whigfield, ce ce peniston, liquid, source, the shamen, rozalla, the prodigy, zig and zag even... the early 90s pop charts were completely dominated by trancey, housey, cheesy poprave before daft punk really got involved, it was 97 before they even really got noticed with that homework album, about the same time Fatboy Slim was gathering speed. Those 2 just rode a wave of really bad chart dance that had been going on for a good while. But all those artists I mentioned were on commercial radio, storming the charts with huge top 10 singles.

Robert Miles really kicked off the chart trance thing as far as I remember in 1995 with this tune



according to wiki went to number 1 in more than 12 countries, you couldnt leave the house without hearing this bloody thing at the time. Then came people like Faithless with tunes like Insomnia (1996) and later God Is A Dj etc.



Olive in 1996, number 1 hit, played everywhere for an age



ATB in 1998, number 1



Dj Sammy, 2002, number 1



These are just the ones that come to mind, not my cup of tea, but theres been 100s if not 1000s of such tunes in the top 40 going all the way back to the start of the 90s without much interruption, you can hear the changes over time but essentially you can pick the thread up at tunes like Last Train To Trancentral, 1991, number 2 in the charts,



and probably stuff even before then, klf were going since 87/88, they had chart hits before that one.

[Brian Oblivion]

yeah i remember a lot of music in the charts here around the turn of the century was like funky house and commercial trance stuff. that chicane and bryan adams tune "don't give up" made it to number 1 in 2000

yeah chicane, forgot all about them, that tune was big, there was so many too, everywhere you look. Kylie Minogue had tons of big dance chart stuff, it was pretty much the stock sound, youre a new/reinvented hip modern pop artist youre releasing some sort of pop house/trance/techno hybrid unless you got a really good excuse and a lot of luck.

[mashmash]

tbh i could easily listen back to some of those 90s/ turn of the century dance chart hits. yeah some of them are pretty cheesy but i suppose they've got that nostalgia charm and aren't overproduced. some of them sound pretty melancholic as well

not really going to get that with shit like avicii and calvin harris ft. rihanna or whatever

[Brian Oblivion]

tbh i could easily listen back to some of those 90s/ turn of the century dance chart hits. yeah some of them are pretty cheesy but i suppose they've got that nostalgia charm and aren't overproduced. some of them sound pretty melancholic as well

not really going to get that with shit like avicii and calvin harris ft. rihanna or whatever

lol, true. I loved that Olive tune at the time, still do, and the KLF actually, but the rest of it I just couldn't stomach. That Robert Miles track was at a point where dance pop stopped being just kids music and started to become something that would come on Capital radio on the way to school and your mum would say 'ohh, I like this track'. At the time I was going through that teenage thing, like stfu woman Im gonna put on burn my eyes by machine head or my jungle mania tape and youll suffer real music, we will hear no more of this limp commercial poser crap. If it didn't make your ears bleed it was vapid junk. But even then you'd catch yourself tapping your head to some faithless and listening back to it now, yeah, I can't deny it's probably always been a guilty pleasure somewhere in the background and I quite enjoy a lot of it for a one off listen now and then.

Draw the line at that dj Sammy crap though, awful, awful music, just unbearably bad. The more I think about it Bryan Adams has a lot to answer for. Did he do a tune with sporty spice? Or was that just a nightmare I had? Im sure she thought she was a solo dance act at one point. Posh spice thought she was a garage act and had Dane Bowers and Jonny L along for the street cred (god help us), glad that was short lived.

[Harkat]

Black Eyed Peas kinda gave that whole thing a boost I reckon. Not to mention house stuff has been regularly charting high in most of europe for a while.