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Hi guys

A lot of the online tutorials on how to use Massive to create basslines like Skrillex, Nero, Netsky etc I've watched but I've always felt something missing.
I've produced quite a lot of electro house music but have never been quite the modulation synth expert, still I can hear that there's a lot more to it than just the 'how to' tutorials on Massive.
When I hear the Skrillex, Krewella, Knife Party basslines I hear 1.distortion 2. stereo widener 3. compressor 4. reverb .. but in a way that it sounds very radio-like to me.

Could any of you more experienced dubstep guru's help me out with how they've created their sounds?

I just got myself the D16 distortion and am hoping to get closer to that sound.

you don't need any specific plugins to get the same sounds, there are still threads asking this same question in the first page, use the search function. read about subtractive synthesis and fm synthesis, resampling and layering sounds, channel splitting, read the growl thread and search for seamless tutorials on youtube (how to bass, how to bass harder and so on).

I'm pretty sure that's like the third time this week you've said that exact same thing

ehbrums1 wrote:I'm pretty sure that's like the third time this week you've said that exact same thing

haha he creates different accounts to ask the same question three times a week.

That's simply ridiculous.. I never join boards under a different name.
check my ip if you want to.

and check beatport jaimie fanatic if you think i'm a kid

jaimiepeeters wrote:That's simply ridiculous.. I never join boards under a different name.
check my ip if you want to.

and check beatport jaimie fanatic if you think i'm a kid

Ha I was joking... but in regards to your question. IMO, I think often times the reason why people think youtube tutorials don't come close to the real sound is because there is no other elements in the mix it's just the sound by itself. Alot of how good something sounds is how it plays off the different elements surrounding it. I've watched by fair share of shitty youtube tutorials don't get me wrong. Try adding white noise layered in the sound, boosting 1-3khz for a punchier mids section. I usually saturate into a compressor (Basically what sausage fattener does.) After that, I occassionally frequency split but I've gotten more lazy as I've gotten more experienced. I then apply distortion and then a flanger or chorus to the separate band according to taste. Try all these affects in parallel, that usually does the trick for me. Hope that helped.

You can skip listening to all those 'wanna sound pro' folks who start posting in here about resampling, layering and other piles of bullshit.

You can produce any worthy sound almost 99% in your daw, the resampling (which is fancy for chopping), and layering and such are just techniques for the final ads, and i know a big bunch
of producers who never ever use it.

All the overuse of fx, they say, phasers choruses and such, is usefull for those small additions again, but short story - shit in shit out.

Just fuckaround with the synth for countless hours, and you'll get the hang of it, drop all tutorials, drop everything you know and just start twisting knobs, and you should develop some kind of understanding overtime.

You can skip listening to all those 'wanna sound pro' folks who start posting in here about resampling, layering and other piles of bullshit.

You can produce any worthy sound almost 99% in your daw, the resampling (which is fancy for chopping), and layering and such are just techniques for the final ads, and i know a big bunch
of producers who never ever use it.

All the overuse of fx, they say, phasers choruses and such, is usefull for those small additions again, but short story - shit in shit out.

Just fuckaround with the synth for countless hours, and you'll get the hang of it, drop all tutorials, drop everything you know and just start twisting knobs, and you should develop some kind of understanding overtime.

ObscenityDubstep wrote:You can skip listening to all those 'wanna sound pro' folks who start posting in here about resampling, layering and other piles of bullshit.

You can produce any worthy sound almost 99% in your daw, the resampling (which is fancy for chopping), and layering and such are just techniques for the final ads, and i know a big bunch of producers who never ever use it.

resampling isn't a fancy word for chopping, chopping is chopping and resampling is resampling. There are certainly a lot of producers who don't use these techniques, but knowing how to use them to your advantage can be a big help. Your blanket statements about not using certain techniques is just as dumb as the statements your criticizing.

Learn what Hiricine mentioned then choose based on what you know if these things are what you need to make the sounds you're after. Talk about resampling, frequency splitting and yada yada didn't just pop up for no reason

Everybody keep mentioning resampling while you don't have any clue what that is: Resampling is exporting to WAV. Usually used if FX chain is too long for the mixer space/makes your cpu go nuts, chopping, and rarely just to have a wav form that you can drop onto some granulizer of some sort or whatsoever. There's nothing in that 'technique' which is so unique, undoable without the technique, and most importantly almost no artist i know uses it. And trust me, i know a lot of your 'old fame superstar resamplers' who never actually do that.

ObscenityDubstep wrote:Everybody keep mentioning resampling while you don't have any clue what that is: Resampling is exporting to WAV. Usually used if FX chain is too long for the mixer space/makes your cpu go nuts, chopping, and rarely just to have a wav form that you can drop onto some granulizer of some sort or whatsoever. There's nothing in that 'technique' which is so unique, undoable without the technique, and most importantly almost no artist i know uses it. And trust me, i know a lot of your 'old fame superstar resamplers' who never actually do that.

Resampling is a lot more than just bouncing something to audio to save CPU or because your mixer channel ran out of space. Using a granulizer also isn't required, but can be.. thus adding to the uniqueness. Chopping, rearranging, pitching your sample all adds to making it unique and something that can't be replicated in your synth. The sounds you get from resampling is exactly what makes it useful, because you CANT get the same sounds straight out of the synth with FX layered. Please enlighten me on my 'old fame superstar resamplers' who said they do, but don't actually resample.

Like I said resampling isn't necessarily a requirement, but tossing it to the side as some useless technique because YOU don't understand how to use it to its full advantage is silly. Learn what you can do with it, and choose to use it if necessary. There's no right or wrong way to do this shit, but having more tools in your toolbox isn't going to hinder you

Tell me one thing i cant do without resampling (except chopping as i originally mentioned), and i'll buy your bullshit.
It's a fun day, people trying to teach me how to sound design and stuffz!


Huts your superb sound design skills as heard on your soundcloud makes me not want to even argue about that..

You can't reverse a sound coming out of your synth like I can with an audio file. You can't timestretch MIDI and keep certain artifacts that come with stretched audio files. You can't keep certain sound constant when effects that modulate over time are present (flanger/phaser for example). I'm not trying to teach you anything, that was obvious before I made my post, I'm just telling the OP not to discard useful techniques because someone thinks they're unnecessary. Learn it and apply it where it's needed.

Still wanting to hear about those famed 'resample producers' who really don't resample

Huts wrote:You can't reverse a sound coming out of your synth like I can with an audio file. You can't timestretch MIDI and keep certain artifacts that come with stretched audio files. You can't keep certain sound constant when effects that modulate over time are present (flanger/phaser for example). I'm not trying to teach you anything, that was obvious before I made my post, I'm just telling the OP not to discard useful techniques because someone thinks they're unnecessary. Learn it and apply it where it's needed.

Still wanting to hear about those famed 'resample producers' who really don't resample

Effects over time: Theres something called fx chain, whatever comes first and later, routing in mixer, can think of 100 ways of doing that.
You can stretch via granulizers without wav exporting.

Next..?

ObscenityDubstep wrote:Tell me one thing i cant do without resampling (except chopping as i originally mentioned), and i'll buy your bullshit.
It's a fun day, people trying to teach me how to sound design and stuffz!


Huts your superb sound design skills as heard on your soundcloud makes me not want to even argue about that..

you just proved yourself wrong. if chopping is resampling, how can you chop without resampling...

huts is right you are wrong

Obvious troll is failin, as i mentioned in the first post, resampling is fancy for chopping, and thats the whole argument.

ObscenityDubstep wrote:Huts your superb sound design skills as heard on your soundcloud makes me not want to even argue about that..

lol

Huts wrote:

ObscenityDubstep wrote:Huts your superb sound design skills as heard on your soundcloud makes me not want to even argue about that..

lol

Being realistic, your sound design skill is no where near to a point where you can argue about it, sorry. If you have something to enlighten me, then go ahead, i'm still waiting for that one thing except chopping that i cant do without resampling..

Huts wrote:

ObscenityDubstep wrote:Huts your superb sound design skills as heard on your soundcloud makes me not want to even argue about that..

lol

Being realistic, your sound design skill is no where near to a point where you can argue about it, sorry. If you have something to enlighten me, then go ahead, i'm still waiting for that one thing except chopping that i cant do without resampling..

ObscenityDubstep wrote:Obvious troll is failin, as i mentioned in the first post, resampling is fancy for chopping, and thats the whole argument.

you are a stupid person. read what you wrote. you just said chopping and resampling are two different things. hence (you can't chop without resampling). therefore, how could they be the same thing? STUPID. chopping is taking bits and pieces of the audio. resampling is bouncing midi to audio.

get your head out of your ass. you have no reason to be such a egotistical little bitch. funny when you've been proven wrong 5 times now and you're still in denial.