Mac equivalent of Harmor

[invisibled]

Hey All,

I've been seeing a lot of resampling done by harmor, but i run logic. I like the fact that you can drag in audio clips for resampling, i feel like this would be an efficient way. Are there some good AU plugin's that are like this? I'm not really even sure what to call a plugin like that, but you guys are good and probably know what i mean right?

tldr: need a mac plugin to cater to the resampling process.

[OfficialDAPT]

You can do this in NI Kontakt which is availiable for MAC

[invisibled]

interesting! I have a use konktact for there drum library's, i never dug too far into it. I found a tutorial on youtube so i'm gunna check that out. Thanks dapt.

[sunny_b_uk]

interesting! I have a use konktact for there drum library's, i never dug too far into it. I found a tutorial on youtube so i'm gunna check that out. Thanks dapt.

tbh i own harmor and its not good for resampling believe me!
it changes the audio into mono + the quality slightly degrades since its resynthesis not resampling.
kontakt is a good choice, that or just resample in your own DAW which is easy enough.

[Sure_Fire]

Logic doesn't have a sampler? That seems a bit odd. Anyways, Harmor is an additive-subtractive synth (which makes it quite unique) that you can use for RESYNTHESIS, not resampling. If you're just resampling for layering/frequency splitting etc. then Harmor wouldn't help anyway, you just need a standard sample, Kontakt would do the job extremely well because of how advanced it is. Not sure how it goes with Logic's workflow though.

[Ocelots Revolver]

Logic has ex24 as a sampler doesn't it? I'm pretty jealous that it seems to be a DAW specific device.

Shit, watch those Wilkinson bass videos to see its potential.

[bouncingfish]

There are lots of AU plugins that you can use for resampling on mac, but are there any plugins with Harmor's RESYNTHESIS options? Would be so sick to just be able to take some resampled bass and just open it in a synth and tweak the synthesis, haven't found any au synths that can do that yet. Anyone?

[SunkLo]

Alchemy duh

[3rdeye]

Tone2 ElectraX, Synthmaster

[azuk]

Nothing really comes close to Harmor, but you could always bounce stuff out then import into logic.

[LogiSpark]

Izotope Iris

[penguinoid]

seconding Alchemy, http://www.camelaudio.com/Alchemy.php
Seriously one of the best mixes of synthesis and re-sampling

[outbound]

Yup EXs24 or Kontakt for Mac. I've not used alchemy before, checking out the vid now

[bouncingfish]

I ask a question, thread gets lots of new replies and I don't know if they are for me

Tone2 ElectraX

ElectraX seems to have something like resynthesis, does anyone know if it is the same type of thing as harmor has?

[misk]

there is no mac equivalent of Harmor. I've got a "try before you buy" version of Alchemy, it sucks. HARDLY decent resynthesis - what Harmor is doing is additive resynthesis, similar to NI's Razor, but with the ability to utilize a shit-ton of partials (harmonics) for the resynthesis process.

I suggest looking into spectral cross-modulation (Kyma TAU morphing, Amon Tobin, etc) if you're really serious about resynthesis.

I did crack open my copy of Razor and change the partials available per-voice from 300 (or whatever it was) to 1200, and it made quite the difference, though it also made quite the difference on my CPU

that being said, I've turned to Max 6 lately for spectral cross-synth type shit. Also look into Phase Vocoding, it's similar. IRCAM has a dope phaser vocoder, but shit like this, will not be available on torrent sites - gotta buy that stuff man.

Iris is a sample-playback joke. it's the illusion of spectral cross-synthesis, but it's working in the time domain, not the frequency domain, which is what you want.

essentially, you want to find the highest-resolution way to impart the spectral characteristics of one sound, onto another. This can be done in Kontakt with AET filters - but I've found best results with around six groups of "growls", and each one is modulating another, round-robin group-triggering, and ultimately only imparting specific characteristics onto the main sample.

This takes time, as you have to define AET morphs tables for each sound that you want to apply an AET filter to, and then apply those filters to each group... flowcharts help for anything more than 3 groups

Seamless may make Harmor seem like the "holy grail" of growls, but really, I get dirtier, filthier things from FM8, Trash 2 (long subtle chains) subtle convolution (can be made to "fake" cross-synth shit), modulation of multiple notches in pro-q, resample, apply more convolution, more multi-band distortion, resample, ad infinatum.

It helps when resampling to tag version numbers onto your new, precious growls; e.g. "The Snarlax V3" - stay organized!

I've applied spectral cross-synth patches in Max to various samples, and really it's DOPE, but it's a crap-shoot. because I don't have a Pacarana (you know, the $4500 box of CPUs that Kyma uses for TAU morphing) - thus I can't do it in real time, so i record like 2 minutes of cross-synth stuff (say, a few growls) offline in Max, so CPU cycles aren't an issue, and then i cut out the best parts.

The following synths, available on a mac DO NOT do what you're looking for:

Alchemy (too few partials, and the "noise" oscillator is a joke)

Iris (it's an over-priced, pretty looking cross-fader)

Electra X (damn good synth, but not the same)

Gladiator (nope)

Massive ( don't even try. and PLEASE don't add to the ever-growing collection of youtube tutorials about how to do this with just Massive, there is no taking the elevator with this sound - only the stairs)

Razor (won't do it out of the box. have a full version of reaktor and prepare to get your hands dirty)

Kontakt can do it with 4 and 5, but setting up AET morph tables was a LOT easier for me in 5 (for whatever reason). Bear in mind that it's not going to sound like Harmor, but define your own sound. a "Growl" is such a vague term. Yes, I can make KTN, Zomboy, Skrillex, Datsik, Excision, bass lines, but why do I want to? They do a pretty good job of it

Not sure about Rayblaster tho, it seems like there's a resynthesis option, but i've got my workflow down so well now, I'm making bass samples, and not trying to learn that synth at the moment.

Harmor: Just additive resynthesis with a lot more partials. trust me, this isn't easy.

I know you're probably looking for something similar to Vocodex for osx as well, only thing that comes close is Waldorf Lector, unless you pay me good money to run your samples through my souped-up version of Razor's vocoder! Remember tho there's a lot more to using a good vocoder than selecting the carrier and the modulator though.

You CAN run a sample into FM8 as a modulator, but you need to be VERY subtle about it - or the output pretty much turns to white noise.

I've been down this path. I watched some "how to bass" vids, was blown away, and hadn't done much with my Max License. If you decide to do the research, and are anything like me, you'll be reading DSP papers on your computer or tablet in bed at night. You're entering the dark realm of academia here, and DSP is no laughing matter. Unless you're an engineer, you'll wish you paid more attention to math(s) in school.

good luck, and long live the Fourier transform!

/geek

[misk]

lastly, I spent around 14 hours a day for a month figuring this out. maybe I'm a slow learner, but it's paid off. I'll give anything I've ever made away, I'll share my tunes, or techniques with anyone, but my bass sample folder? gotta pry that from my cold, dead, hands. 120 samples, all about 4 bars long, and represents months of work, AFTER locking down my technique and workflow.

i've got shit in there you won't believe came from a synth, though.

[penguinoid]

*edit* NM

[Blingley]

what Harmor is doing is additive resynthesis, similar to NI's Razor, but with the ability to utilize a shit-ton of partials (harmonics) for the resynthesis process.

Alchemy (too few partials, and the "noise" oscillator is a joke)

Alchemy has 600 partials per voice. Harmor has 512.

[misk]

I'm deeply sorry for not remembering the exact number of partials per voice alchemy has. I really should be doing my homework on this stuff more.

regardless, you'll all have better luck with cross-mod synthesis. Blingly, you're cool.

EDIT: now I remember why I left this forum - I'll try again next year. good luck kids!

[SunkLo]

No need to get sensitive. You should share the Razor patch you were talking about.

I've been thinking about coding a realtime FFT morphing plugin but it'll probably be a pain in the ass.