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between minimalist and boring. obviously a lot of dubstep works on the idea of suggestive absence, but its fuckin hard to get it right imho. i've made a lot of tunes lately where it sounds right as i'm making it but when i play em to others they just seem to drag on for time [see the "nothing" track on myspace for an example]. Anyone else have this problem?

Also, if you've got something that sounds alright when you're blitzed but you play it in the morning and its not happenin, what does everyone reckon about fuckin with it to make it sound "right". If our target audience is most likely gonna be blazing as they listen, is their any point in making sober crusty eyed morning ammendments, or do they just ruin the vibe? Suppose wake and bake would cure that one]

yeah man all the fuckin time..too true

taken me since i was 14 get my head around composition

haha. I can so relate all of this.

I find that when i first write something it sounds fresh and im into it...but as the hours tick by i get sick of hearingthe same loop - and never finish what i started.

gotta write quickly or it doesnt happen.

plus yeah theres a fine line between minimal and boring. plus being stoned when you write makes everything sound good - so in the morning your disappointed.

sadly i aint got any answers to get round apart from try writing fast and sober!!

Use non pitched elements (atmospheres, wooshes, sound effects) these will give the listener something else to captivate their interest.

As a starting point use atmosphere in your intro then cut at your drop then half way through the main body bring it in. Instanmtly the second half has another layer which will keep the piece interesting. Try different things with the 4th and 8th bars and some other atmos on the 16th. Play around and use good sounds. Also do some work with structures and find interesting combinations and different sections. Take things out, put them in and mix it up. Try to use a minimum amount of sounds but do lots with them (different effects and automation).

threnody- cheers for the tips i'll have a go at all that tonight..liking the idea of working out structuring, often feel thats whats missing..

^^
etch - only prob with writing sober is that its hard[er] to get into that vibe where you aren't actually thinking about it, or anything really, your just making sounds. Weed switches off all the bullshit everyday thoughts and just lets you get on with producing in some kind of mentally absent state.....

yes, it s true with the fine line between minimal and boring. I personal dont like to do big arangements. I try to do the best of 3-4 parts in a tune with minimalistic work (yes I am lazy 2) I think the most good Tunes are very simple. Drums (kick, sd, hihat, perc) Bass, maybe a hooking melody, FX, pads. I`m about to learn how to arrange only a few elements well. The mixing and mastering work is important too. Best example is "pass that dutch"Misy Elliot. Simple but effective. (where is the snaredrum?) The whole tune only claps n Bass. sing sing on it, ready. Booom!!! Timeless Riddim


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