best VST for Skrillex style growls??

[mJAi]

Can someone just tell me I use FLStudio and tried fingering with the Vocodex and stuff and was just thinking if anyone used Massive or FM8 to make growls? I have a lot of samples but i just dont wanna use dem, i wanna make my own growls. So anyone know any good VSTs for that? Also if possible let dem be below 200 mb and gimme tuts or something.

edit: sorry for posting it in the wrong forum im still kinda groggy

[bouncingfish]

You're lucky to be on FL if you want to make dubstep.
-Watch SeamlessR's tutorials
-Congratulations, you are now skrillex

http://www.youtube.com/SeamlessR

[Sure_Fire]

Can't go wrong with massive, it can make pretty much anything that skrillex makes, and a heap of big name producers swear by it. I prefer Sytrus to FM8 for FM work, but FM8 is definitely capable. Some other good ones are harmless/harmor and toxic biohazard by image line, razor by Native instruments and zeta 2 by cakewalk (probably not ideal for growls though). I'd go with massive if you're starting out, there are heaps of tuts on youtube for it and lots of free patch downloads available. The only problem with massive is your stuff ends up sounding a little generic since it's used so much.

[Brothulhu]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FlRwZJS6 ... r_embedded
I know a few people who swear on this tutorial, not interested in that sound myself. Use patcher in FL instead of the ableton macroy thing

[mJAi]

You're lucky to be on FL if you want to make dubstep.
-Watch SeamlessR's tutorials
-Congratulations, you are now skrillex

http://www.youtube.com/SeamlessR

ok so i saw some amazing tut called How to Bass 3 Vocodex Growls or something and the way Seamless did it it looked easy enuf. But whenever i try to assign the Modulator and Carrier things on teh top-center in the vocodex, it wont go above 0 and all i can select is 0 or none. WHAT DAFUQ?

[Brothulhu]

You're lucky to be on FL if you want to make dubstep.
-Watch SeamlessR's tutorials
-Congratulations, you are now skrillex

http://www.youtube.com/SeamlessR

ok so i saw some amazing tut called How to Bass 3 Vocodex Growls or something and the way Seamless did it it looked easy enuf. But whenever i try to assign the Modulator and Carrier things on teh top-center in the vocodex, it wont go above 0 and all i can select is 0 or none. WHAT DAFUQ?

Did you route them to the vocodex channel? And is vocodex set to receive them and not left and right channels

[mJAi]

So what exactly do you mean by ROUTING the mod and car to the vocodex? ROUTING....?

[mthrfnk]

So what exactly do you mean by ROUTING the mod and car to the vocodex? ROUTING....?

Why don't you read the manual that came with Vocodex when you bought it... or more probably pirated it.

It's really not difficult to follow Seamless's tutorials, and if you can't get to grips with basic channel routing, you have no hope on creating Skrillex like growls.

[Brothulhu]

So what exactly do you mean by ROUTING the mod and car to the vocodex? ROUTING....?

Why don't you read the manual that came with Vocodex when you bought it... or more probably pirated it.

It's really not difficult to follow Seamless's tutorials, and if you can't get to grips with basic channel routing, you have no hope on creating Skrillex like growls.

This. I suggest you press f1 in FL and read at least the vocodex and mixer sections if not all of it if you don't even understand routing

[mJAi]

So what exactly do you mean by ROUTING the mod and car to the vocodex? ROUTING....?

Why don't you read the manual that came with Vocodex when you bought it... or more probably pirated it.

It's really not difficult to follow Seamless's tutorials, and if you can't get to grips with basic channel routing, you have no hope on creating Skrillex like growls.

This. I suggest you press f1 in FL and read at least the vocodex and mixer sections if not all of it if you don't even understand routing

okay okay so i got what routing is. Its just that when Seamless takes his mouse in the two little boxes beside the l-r encoding thing(or what is it) and drags it to set the mixer tracks for mod and carrier, its done. But my boxes wont go higher that 0? Why the fuck?

and yeah, sorry for acting like a retard, but i dont have my PC right now. No PC, no Fruity. :'(

OR could i use anything else for the growls? Sytrus isint really complete in itself, and i cant afford FM8. Someone said Ham VST?

[Brothulhu]

So what exactly do you mean by ROUTING the mod and car to the vocodex? ROUTING....?

Why don't you read the manual that came with Vocodex when you bought it... or more probably pirated it.

It's really not difficult to follow Seamless's tutorials, and if you can't get to grips with basic channel routing, you have no hope on creating Skrillex like growls.

This. I suggest you press f1 in FL and read at least the vocodex and mixer sections if not all of it if you don't even understand routing

okay okay so i got what routing is. Its just that when Seamless takes his mouse in the two little boxes beside the l-r encoding thing(or what is it) and drags it to set the mixer tracks for mod and carrier, its done. But my boxes wont go higher that 0? Why the fuck?

and yeah, sorry for acting like a retard, but i dont have my PC right now. No PC, no Fruity. :'(

OR could i use anything else for the growls? Sytrus isint really complete in itself, and i cant afford FM8. Someone said Ham VST?

Sytrus is just as powerful as fm8

[mthrfnk]

So what exactly do you mean by ROUTING the mod and car to the vocodex? ROUTING....?

Why don't you read the manual that came with Vocodex when you bought it... or more probably pirated it.

It's really not difficult to follow Seamless's tutorials, and if you can't get to grips with basic channel routing, you have no hope on creating Skrillex like growls.

This. I suggest you press f1 in FL and read at least the vocodex and mixer sections if not all of it if you don't even understand routing

okay okay so i got what routing is. Its just that when Seamless takes his mouse in the two little boxes beside the l-r encoding thing(or what is it) and drags it to set the mixer tracks for mod and carrier, its done. But my boxes wont go higher that 0? Why the fuck?

and yeah, sorry for acting like a retard, but i dont have my PC right now. No PC, no Fruity. :'(

OR could i use anything else for the growls? Sytrus isint really complete in itself, and i cant afford FM8. Someone said Ham VST?

go for Ham m8, all the pro's use it.

[dotcurrency]

go for Ham m8, all the pro's use it.

don't do it OP, its a trap

[GenericNameHere]

^^^Yeah, I get what he's saying. Don't get Ham VST, because after you get it, your sound won't "evolve" past the basic cliches of dubstep -- insanely-close-to-skrillexy-growls and formanty drops, etc.

Also, does anyone prefer "pure" FM growls -- possible filtered and phasered -- to vocoded ones? Or is it just me who feels the vocoded growls seem so ... vocody. Or do people rely on the vocoder carrier to give the bulk of the movement to a growl.

I'm a noob

[mJAi]

^^^Yeah, I get what he's saying. Don't get Ham VST, because after you get it, your sound won't "evolve" past the basic cliches of dubstep -- insanely-close-to-skrillexy-growls and formanty drops, etc.

Also, does anyone prefer "pure" FM growls -- possible filtered and phasered -- to vocoded ones? Or is it just me who feels the vocoded growls seem so ... vocody. Or do people rely on the vocoder carrier to give the bulk of the movement to a growl.

I'm a noob

Yeah, i guess. Did a bit research about that "HAM" VST. The basic fact is that it just makes angry growls without even doing anything. Spoonfeeding. And i HATE spoonfeeding. Or is it something else? And those FM growls..... hmmmmmm

[mthrfnk]

^^^Yeah, I get what he's saying. Don't get Ham VST, because after you get it, your sound won't "evolve" past the basic cliches of dubstep -- insanely-close-to-skrillexy-growls and formanty drops, etc.

Also, does anyone prefer "pure" FM growls -- possible filtered and phasered -- to vocoded ones? Or is it just me who feels the vocoded growls seem so ... vocody. Or do people rely on the vocoder carrier to give the bulk of the movement to a growl.

I'm a noob

Yeah, i guess. Did a bit research about that "HAM" VST. The basic fact is that it just makes angry growls without even doing anything. Spoonfeeding. And i HATE spoonfeeding. Or is it something else? And those FM growls..... hmmmmmm

Seriously just get Ham dude, it'll save you time and effort, it's basically an additive FM synth with parallel granular properties and a subtractive harmonic layer generator. I actually got my first record signing using a track which was all Ham, made like $10k of that shit.

[bouncingfish]

^^^Yeah, I get what he's saying. Don't get Ham VST, because after you get it, your sound won't "evolve" past the basic cliches of dubstep -- insanely-close-to-skrillexy-growls and formanty drops, etc.

Also, does anyone prefer "pure" FM growls -- possible filtered and phasered -- to vocoded ones? Or is it just me who feels the vocoded growls seem so ... vocody. Or do people rely on the vocoder carrier to give the bulk of the movement to a growl.

I'm a noob

Yeah, i guess. Did a bit research about that "HAM" VST. The basic fact is that it just makes angry growls without even doing anything. Spoonfeeding. And i HATE spoonfeeding. Or is it something else? And those FM growls..... hmmmmmm

Seriously just get Ham dude, it'll save you time and effort, it's basically an additive FM synth with parallel granular properties and a subtractive harmonic layer generator. I actually got my first record signing using a track which was all Ham, made like $10k of that shit.

Is it even real?
Haven't found one single youtube video of it.<YOU GOT TROLLED M8*

[mthrfnk]

^^^Yeah, I get what he's saying. Don't get Ham VST, because after you get it, your sound won't "evolve" past the basic cliches of dubstep -- insanely-close-to-skrillexy-growls and formanty drops, etc.

Also, does anyone prefer "pure" FM growls -- possible filtered and phasered -- to vocoded ones? Or is it just me who feels the vocoded growls seem so ... vocody. Or do people rely on the vocoder carrier to give the bulk of the movement to a growl.

I'm a noob

Yeah, i guess. Did a bit research about that "HAM" VST. The basic fact is that it just makes angry growls without even doing anything. Spoonfeeding. And i HATE spoonfeeding. Or is it something else? And those FM growls..... hmmmmmm

Seriously just get Ham dude, it'll save you time and effort, it's basically an additive FM synth with parallel granular properties and a subtractive harmonic layer generator. I actually got my first record signing using a track which was all Ham, made like $10k of that shit.

Is it even real?
Haven't found one single youtube video of it.

It's hard to get hold of, I contacted the developer for it who was pretty reluctant but eventually sent me over a copy. It's not the sort of vst you can just go out and download or buy - its really experimental stuff. Wouldn't surprise me if the developer had sold some of his code to Native Instruments to power the back end of Massive or even FM8, since Ham is like Massive on steroids when you know how to use it.

[bouncingfish]

^^^Yeah, I get what he's saying. Don't get Ham VST, because after you get it, your sound won't "evolve" past the basic cliches of dubstep -- insanely-close-to-skrillexy-growls and formanty drops, etc.

Also, does anyone prefer "pure" FM growls -- possible filtered and phasered -- to vocoded ones? Or is it just me who feels the vocoded growls seem so ... vocody. Or do people rely on the vocoder carrier to give the bulk of the movement to a growl.

I'm a noob

Yeah, i guess. Did a bit research about that "HAM" VST. The basic fact is that it just makes angry growls without even doing anything. Spoonfeeding. And i HATE spoonfeeding. Or is it something else? And those FM growls..... hmmmmmm

Seriously just get Ham dude, it'll save you time and effort, it's basically an additive FM synth with parallel granular properties and a subtractive harmonic layer generator. I actually got my first record signing using a track which was all Ham, made like $10k of that shit.

Is it even real?
Haven't found one single youtube video of it.<YOU GOT TROLLED

It's hard to get hold of, I contacted the developer for it who was pretty reluctant but eventually sent me over a copy. It's not the sort of vst you can just go out and download or buy - its really experimental stuff. Wouldn't surprise me if the developer had sold some of his code to Native Instruments to power the back end of Massive or even FM8, since Ham is like Massive on steroids when you know how to use it.

*edit*

Okay, I was trolled again, fine.

[mthrfnk]

Man I shouldn't even be talking about it on an open forum the devs would kill me, I'll try and hook you up with a contact, but seriously keep this on the down low.