can rick rubin save the music business?

seckle · Post by **seckle** » Fri Sep 07, 2007 11:08 pm

new york times magazine article, 10 pages.

imo, essential reading, as rick rubin now has a controlling stake at columbia (sony).

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/02/magaz ... vdWPx/8jYg

quietmouse · Post by **quietmouse** » Fri Sep 07, 2007 11:18 pm

has he ever produced anything good

rickyricardo · Post by **rickyricardo** » Fri Sep 07, 2007 11:19 pm

great article seckle....reading now.

everytime I see a pic of Rubin, he looks more and more out there. The guy is like the Howard Hughes of the music world...lol.

I'm probably just saying that b/c I'm jealous of his beard tho

seckle · Post by **seckle** » Fri Sep 07, 2007 11:20 pm

Quietmouse wrote:has he ever produced anything good

you're joking right?

he's directly responsible for some of the most important albums in hip hop. also he's not a business person, he's a music person, and we need more music lover's and less "bottom line" people in the music industry.

showguns · Post by **showguns** » Fri Sep 07, 2007 11:21 pm

Quietmouse wrote:has he ever produced anything good

oh fuck. lol.

quietmouse · Post by **quietmouse** » Fri Sep 07, 2007 11:24 pm

maybe he had a hand in some important shit in the past, but let's look at his stuff in 2007/8: vanessa carlton, kid rock, linkin park, metallica, weezer, slipknot

he's totally fucking irrelevant now, so no, i dont think hell be doing much 'saving of the music business'

seckle · Post by **seckle** » Fri Sep 07, 2007 11:26 pm

Quietmouse wrote:maybe he had a hand in some important shit in the past, but let's look at his stuff in 2007/8: vanessa carlton, kid rock, linkin park, metallica, weezer, slipknot

he's totally fucking irrelevant now, so no, i dont think hell be doing much 'saving of the music business'

if that's your thinking, you've got a lot to learn about the music business.

lilt · Post by **lilt** » Fri Sep 07, 2007 11:30 pm

FSTZ · Post by **FSTZ** » Fri Sep 07, 2007 11:48 pm

Quietmouse wrote:has he ever produced anything good

thems fightin words

FSTZ · Post by **FSTZ** » Fri Sep 07, 2007 11:49 pm

Quietmouse wrote:maybe he had a hand in some important shit in the past, but let's look at his stuff in 2007/8: vanessa carlton, kid rock, linkin park, metallica, weezer, slipknot

he's totally fucking irrelevant now, so no, i dont think hell be doing much 'saving of the music business'

bike racks.....

after last class

quietmouse · Post by **quietmouse** » Fri Sep 07, 2007 11:51 pm

unklefesta wrote:bike racks.....

after last class

i'll be there

you can go back to discussing the article or whatever, i wont step on any more toes, but im sure i speak for more than just myself when i say i think rubin is trash

rickyricardo · Post by **rickyricardo** » Sat Sep 08, 2007 12:00 am

What should probably be kept in mind is that Rubin produces and promotes *pop* music (which, probably to alot of this crowd, is a dirty word). That still doesn't make him any less prolific in what he does, though.

You gotta remember that Kid Rocks, Linkin Parks, and Slipknots of the world have enormous fanbases, despite what we may think of them as artists. And that's in no small part due to Rubin looking at that vast pool of talent out there and seeing what will work.

jolly wailer · Post by **jolly wailer** » Sat Sep 08, 2007 12:05 am

impressive resume -

1985: Radio - LL Cool J
1986: Licensed to Ill - Beastie Boys
1986: Raising Hell - Run-DMC
1986: Reign in Blood - Slayer
1987: Electric - The Cult
1988: Danzig - Danzig
1988: Tougher Than Leather - Run-DMC
1988: South of Heaven - Slayer
1988: Masters of Reality - Masters of Reality
1989: Dice - Andrew Dice Clay
1989: Live Fast, Die Fast - Wolfsbane
1990: Same - Geto Boys
1990: Trouble - Trouble
1990: Danzig II: Lucifuge - Danzig
1990: Seasons in the Abyss - Slayer
1991: Nobody Said It Was Easy - The Four Horsemen
1991: Manic Frustration - Trouble
1991: Decade of Aggression - Slayer
1991: Blood Sugar Sex Magik - Red Hot Chili Peppers
1992: Danzig III: How the Gods Kill - Danzig
1992: King King - Red Devils
1993: Thrall: Demonsweatlive - Danzig
1993: Wandering Spirit - Mick Jagger
1993: 21st Century Jesus - Messiah
1994: Danzig 4 - Danzig
1994: American Recordings - Johnny Cash
1994: Divine Intervention - Slayer
1994: Wildflowers - Tom Petty
1995: One Hot Minute - Red Hot Chili Peppers
1995: Ballbreaker - AC/DC
1995: God Lives Underwater - God Lives Underwater
1995: Empty - God Lives Underwater
1996: Songs and Music from "She's the One" - Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers
1996: Unchained - Johnny Cash
1996: Undisputed Attitude - Slayer
1996: Sutras - Donovan
1998: "Let Me Give the World to You" - The Smashing Pumpkins (an unreleased song)
1998: VH1 Storytellers - Johnny Cash & Willie Nelson
1998: Diabolus in Musica - Slayer
1998: System of a Down - System of a Down
1998: Peasants, Pigs & Astronauts - Kula Shaker ("Sound of Drums")
1998: Chef Aid: The South Park Album - South Park
1999: Northern Star - Melanie C ("Suddenly Monday" and "Ga Ga")
1999: Californication - Red Hot Chili Peppers
1999: Echo - Tom Petty And The Heartbreakers
1999: Loud Rocks - V/A ("Shame" by System of a Down and Wu-Tang Clan, "Wu-Tang Clan Ain't Nothing Ta Fuck Wit" Tom Morello, Chad Smith and Wu-Tang Clan)
1999: The Globe Sessions - Sheryl Crow ("Sweet Child O'Mine")
2000: American III: Solitary Man - Johnny Cash
2000: Paloalto - Paloalto
2000: Renegades - Rage Against the Machine
2001: Amethyst Rock Star - Saul Williams
2001: The War of Art - American Head Charge
2001: Breath of the Heart - Krishna Das
2001: The Final Studio Recordings - Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan
2001: Toxicity - System of a Down
2002: American IV: The Man Comes Around - Johnny Cash
2002: By the Way - Red Hot Chili Peppers
2002: Audioslave - Audioslave
2002: Steal This Album! - System of a Down
2003: Results May Vary - Limp Bizkit (with Terry Date and Jordan Schur)
2003: Unearthed - Johnny Cash
2003: Door of Faith - Krishna Das
2003: De-Loused in the Comatorium - The Mars Volta (with Omar Rodriguez-Lopez)
2003: The Black Album - Jay-Z ("99 Problems")
2003: Live at the Grand Olympic Auditorium - Rage Against the Machine
2003: Heroes and Villains - Paloalto
2004: Vol. 3 (The Subliminal Verses) - Slipknot
2004: Armed Love - The (International) Noise Conspiracy
2004: Crunk Juice - Lil' Jon and the East Side Boyz ("Stop Fuckin' Wit Me")
2005: Make Believe - Weezer
2005: Fijación Oral Vol. 1 - Shakira
2005: Oral Fixation Vol. 2 - Shakira
2005: Out of Exile - Audioslave
2005: Mezmerize - System of a Down
2005: Hypnotize - System of a Down
2005: 12 Songs - Neil Diamond
2006: Christ Illusion - Slayer
2006: Stadium Arcadium - Red Hot Chili Peppers
2006: Taking the Long Way - Dixie Chicks
2006: American V: A Hundred Highways - Johnny Cash
2006: FutureSex/LoveSounds - Justin Timberlake ("(Another Song) All Over Again")
2006: The Saints are Coming - U2 and Green Day (single)
2006: Window in the Skies - U2 (single)
2007: Fixing Cities - The (International) Noise Conspiracy
2007: American VI - Johnny Cash
2007: Heroes and Thieves - Vanessa Carlton (with Irv Gotti, 7 Aurelius and Stephan Jenkins)
2007: Dancing for the Death of an Imaginary Enemy - Ours
2007: "Better Than I've Ever Been" - Kanye West, Nas, KRS-One (single)
2007: Rock And Roll Jesus - Kid Rock
2007: Minutes to Midnight - Linkin Park
2007: 99 Ways To Rock 'N Peace - Fukface
2008: Metallica's ninth studio album - Metallica
2008: "Untitled" - Weezer
2008: 4th Studio Album - Slipknot

FSTZ · Post by **FSTZ** » Sat Sep 08, 2007 12:07 am

Quietmouse wrote:
unklefesta wrote:bike racks.....

after last class
i'll be there

you can go back to discussing the article or whatever, i wont step on any more toes, but im sure i speak for more than just myself when i say i think rubin is trash

10,000,000 slayer fans will agree that rubin is trash

that doesnt stop him from being a NYC street kid that rose to the position of the 4th most powerful man in rock and roll

FSTZ · Post by **FSTZ** » Sat Sep 08, 2007 12:10 am

Jolly Wailer wrote:impressive resume -

1985: Radio - LL Cool J
1986: Licensed to Ill - Beastie Boys
1986: Raising Hell - Run-DMC
1986: Reign in Blood - Slayer
1987: Electric - The Cult
1988: Danzig - Danzig
1988: Tougher Than Leather - Run-DMC
1988: South of Heaven - Slayer
1988: Masters of Reality - Masters of Reality
1989: Dice - Andrew Dice Clay
1989: Live Fast, Die Fast - Wolfsbane
1990: Same - Geto Boys
1990: Trouble - Trouble
1990: Danzig II: Lucifuge - Danzig
1990: Seasons in the Abyss - Slayer
1991: Nobody Said It Was Easy - The Four Horsemen
1991: Manic Frustration - Trouble
1991: Decade of Aggression - Slayer
1991: Blood Sugar Sex Magik - Red Hot Chili Peppers
1992: Danzig III: How the Gods Kill - Danzig
1992: King King - Red Devils
1993: Thrall: Demonsweatlive - Danzig
1993: Wandering Spirit - Mick Jagger
1993: 21st Century Jesus - Messiah
1994: Danzig 4 - Danzig
1994: American Recordings - Johnny Cash
1994: Divine Intervention - Slayer
1994: Wildflowers - Tom Petty
1995: One Hot Minute - Red Hot Chili Peppers
1995: Ballbreaker - AC/DC
1995: God Lives Underwater - God Lives Underwater
1995: Empty - God Lives Underwater
1996: Songs and Music from "She's the One" - Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers
1996: Unchained - Johnny Cash
1996: Undisputed Attitude - Slayer
1996: Sutras - Donovan
1998: "Let Me Give the World to You" - The Smashing Pumpkins (an unreleased song)
1998: VH1 Storytellers - Johnny Cash & Willie Nelson
1998: Diabolus in Musica - Slayer
1998: System of a Down - System of a Down
1998: Peasants, Pigs & Astronauts - Kula Shaker ("Sound of Drums")
1998: Chef Aid: The South Park Album - South Park
1999: Northern Star - Melanie C ("Suddenly Monday" and "Ga Ga")
1999: Californication - Red Hot Chili Peppers
1999: Echo - Tom Petty And The Heartbreakers
1999: Loud Rocks - V/A ("Shame" by System of a Down and Wu-Tang Clan, "Wu-Tang Clan Ain't Nothing Ta Fuck Wit" Tom Morello, Chad Smith and Wu-Tang Clan)
1999: The Globe Sessions - Sheryl Crow ("Sweet Child O'Mine")
2000: American III: Solitary Man - Johnny Cash
2000: Paloalto - Paloalto
2000: Renegades - Rage Against the Machine
2001: Amethyst Rock Star - Saul Williams
2001: The War of Art - American Head Charge
2001: Breath of the Heart - Krishna Das
2001: The Final Studio Recordings - Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan
2001: Toxicity - System of a Down
2002: American IV: The Man Comes Around - Johnny Cash
2002: By the Way - Red Hot Chili Peppers
2002: Audioslave - Audioslave
2002: Steal This Album! - System of a Down
2003: Results May Vary - Limp Bizkit (with Terry Date and Jordan Schur)
2003: Unearthed - Johnny Cash
2003: Door of Faith - Krishna Das
2003: De-Loused in the Comatorium - The Mars Volta (with Omar Rodriguez-Lopez)
2003: The Black Album - Jay-Z ("99 Problems")
2003: Live at the Grand Olympic Auditorium - Rage Against the Machine
2003: Heroes and Villains - Paloalto
2004: Vol. 3 (The Subliminal Verses) - Slipknot
2004: Armed Love - The (International) Noise Conspiracy
2004: Crunk Juice - Lil' Jon and the East Side Boyz ("Stop Fuckin' Wit Me")
2005: Make Believe - Weezer
2005: Fijación Oral Vol. 1 - Shakira
2005: Oral Fixation Vol. 2 - Shakira
2005: Out of Exile - Audioslave
2005: Mezmerize - System of a Down
2005: Hypnotize - System of a Down
2005: 12 Songs - Neil Diamond
2006: Christ Illusion - Slayer
2006: Stadium Arcadium - Red Hot Chili Peppers
2006: Taking the Long Way - Dixie Chicks
2006: American V: A Hundred Highways - Johnny Cash
2006: FutureSex/LoveSounds - Justin Timberlake ("(Another Song) All Over Again")
2006: The Saints are Coming - U2 and Green Day (single)
2006: Window in the Skies - U2 (single)
2007: Fixing Cities - The (International) Noise Conspiracy
2007: American VI - Johnny Cash
2007: Heroes and Thieves - Vanessa Carlton (with Irv Gotti, 7 Aurelius and Stephan Jenkins)
2007: Dancing for the Death of an Imaginary Enemy - Ours
2007: "Better Than I've Ever Been" - Kanye West, Nas, KRS-One (single)
2007: Rock And Roll Jesus - Kid Rock
2007: Minutes to Midnight - Linkin Park
2007: 99 Ways To Rock 'N Peace - Fukface
2008: Metallica's ninth studio album - Metallica
2008: "Untitled" - Weezer
2008: 4th Studio Album - Slipknot

OVER!

skavoovie_blind9 · Post by **skavoovie_blind9** » Sat Sep 08, 2007 12:10 am

Quietmouse wrote:has he ever produced anything good

seckle · Post by **seckle** » Sat Sep 08, 2007 12:10 am

if there were more exec's at these conglomerates like rick rubin, the music business will change for the better. i'd take a rick rubin over a jimmy iovine, david geffen or anyone else like that. there needs to be more people that are willing to rock the boat a bit.

FSTZ · Post by **FSTZ** » Sat Sep 08, 2007 12:12 am

seckle wrote:if there were more exec's at these conglomerates like rick rubin, the music business will change for the better. i'd take a rick rubin over a jimmy iovine, david geffen or anyone else like that. there needs to be more people that are willing to rock the boat a bit.

Donnie Iner For the Lose

and David Geffen is too busy collecting art to be bothered

he leaves the music biz to his "little people"

guerillaeye · Post by **guerillaeye** » Sat Sep 08, 2007 12:14 am

i have agreed with everything you have said seckle.

i wish i had more to add.

***EDIT****

Except for, "No.. Rick Ruben Cannot save the music buisness. There is too much money in it being shit."

ployd · Post by **ployd** » Sat Sep 08, 2007 5:04 am

RickyRicardo wrote:What should probably be kept in mind is that Rubin produces and promotes *pop* music (which, probably to alot of this crowd, is a dirty word). That still doesn't make him any less prolific in what he does, though.

You gotta remember that Kid Rocks, Linkin Parks, and Slipknots of the world have enormous fanbases, despite what we may think of them as artists. And that's in no small part due to Rubin looking at that vast pool of talent out there and seeing what will work.

truth . Also ... lets not forget that Mars Volta Deloused In The Comatorium is on that list . Its only one of the most badass albums ever imho .

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