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Anyone got any good suggestions for me that differ from the good old promoter takes door / owner bar split?

You could try asking the owner for a % share of the bar > a certain amount, but they'd probably tell you to fuck off.

Promoter takes bar, owner takes door

Promoter takes bar, owner takes door

Run both yourself? The bar is possible using raffle tickets

test recordings wrote:The bar is possible using raffle tickets

No it's not.

UK licensing law is two-part - the bit about selling alcohol can be circumvented via the raffle ticket system, but the second half concerned with consumption of alcohol inside a licensed premise cannot.

wub wrote:

test recordings wrote:The bar is possible using raffle tickets

No it's not.

UK licensing law is two-part - the bit about selling alcohol can be circumvented via the raffle ticket system, but the second half concerned with consumption of alcohol inside a licensed premise cannot.

Don't do it in a licensed premise then? All you need is a room, or a good forest etc. Best bar I've seen at a rave was a fully stocked picnic bench

The motive behind this arrangement is typically:

~ that alcohol is much, much more profitable (due to the cost markup)...

~ ...and door charges are roughly reflective of the cost of doing business that night (staff, overhead, etc.) and in fact are used to keep certain customers out altogether while appealing to other demographics. A special event has a special cost that belies its specialness, but unless it's a cattle hall all-ages type venue, they're not making much or anything off door in a smaller club or bar.

Look at alternate ways of capitalizing on the event like merchandising, concessions, what have you... although I know those things aren't the norm for dj/club stuff (but does explain why do many dj's have sidelines selling drugs on site.)

Alternately, you can try to make a deal with the owner that a specified percentage of a bar profit above and beyond what he expects can be yours, i.e. "I'll bring you so much business you won't even mind giving me a piece of your cut." A solid venue owner with experience and realistic expectations will sometimes play ball like this. Unfortunately it's more common for them to lie about how much biz they did that night.

alphacat wrote:The motive behind this arrangement is typically:

~ that alcohol is much, much more profitable (due to the cost markup)...

~ ...and door charges are roughly reflective of the cost of doing business that night (staff, overhead, etc.) and in fact are used to keep certain customers out altogether while appealing to other demographics. A special event has a special cost that belies its specialness, but unless it's a cattle hall all-ages type venue, they're not making much or anything off door in a smaller club or bar.

Look at alternate ways of capitalizing on the event like merchandising, concessions, what have you... although I know those things aren't the norm for dj/club stuff (but does explain why do many dj's have sidelines selling drugs on site.)

Alternately, you can try to make a deal with the owner that a specified percentage of a bar profit above and beyond what he expects can be yours, i.e. "I'll bring you so much business you won't even mind giving me a piece of your cut." A solid venue owner with experience and realistic expectations will sometimes play ball like this. Unfortunately it's more common for them to lie about how much biz they did that night.

Pretty good ideas
Im trying to come up with some sponsors right now (not actually in the uk - so travel expenses hit me pretty hard)

not sure about the legality of raffle tickets are down here lol (its winter too so outdoor is pretty risky)

Where's 'down here'?

test recordings wrote:Promoter takes bar, owner takes door

this, any other way = you getting stitched up. How the fuck do you know what they're taking on the bar? If it's busy they'll be emptying the tills throughout the night, I doubt they're gonna call you over to let you know

You could ask for a quid for each person in, since they'll be spending quite a lot each