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That does actually sound pretty cool, nice pad material in that at least. How does it work? I thought if you ring modulated everything to the right Hz you'd get a similar effect

No, but I have been considering tuning all my synths and samplers off the izan 440hz A.

No, but I have been considering tuning all my synths and samplers off the izan 440hz A.

You and me both brother. But instead of actually doing that, I made a few odd scales by takin a midi cue from one sound in melodyne and then building the scale /other notes around that first odd note with the same intervals of de-/re-/ME!-tuning.
Not using a rootnote but 'building down' makes it less natural sounding/interestingly alien.

But having said that, I can barely count so it might be just a fortunate mishap.

Aphex does it, I think

nowaysj wrote:No, but I have been considering tuning all my synths and samplers off the izan 440hz A.

Please tell me this is a joke. Please please please tell you haven't read that fucking article going around that is entirely wrong in every way.

wolf89 wrote:

nowaysj wrote:No, but I have been considering tuning all my synths and samplers off the izan 440hz A.

Please tell me this is a joke. Please please please tell you haven't read that fucking article going around that is entirely wrong in every way.

What article?

wub wrote:

wolf89 wrote:

nowaysj wrote:No, but I have been considering tuning all my synths and samplers off the izan 440hz A.

Please tell me this is a joke. Please please please tell you haven't read that fucking article going around that is entirely wrong in every way.

What article?

Don't want to link it because It's truly fucking awful

Well fine here it is

http://www.whydontyoutrythis.com/2013/0 ... 432hz.html

but it's just complete bollocks as 440hz was suggested by American Standards Association in 1926 and taken up by the Swedish based International Organization for Standardization in 1955. It has nothing to do with sizan. The need for standardization in this way is due to there being a huge variation of tuning methods in the past and the issue of pitch inflation. It wasn't a simple change from the Austrian idea to the current standard like this article suggests. With the the relative rise of instrumental music in prominence compared to the voice a battle for a bright and brilliant sounds took place in the form of tuning to higher and higher pitches. It was the period's equivalent loudness war. For example an 1815 tuning fork from the Dresden opera house gives A = 423.2 Hz, while one of eleven years later from the same opera house gives A = 435Hz and in La Scala in Milan it reached 451Hz. Numerous systems were bought in to try and regulate it setting A at a number of different frequencies such as with with some voice and organ based music Chorton pitch being used at 466 Hz amongst many others. Due to the strain that the pitch inflation war had on many singers' voices protests about this took place and the French passed legislation putting A at 435Hz in 1859. However this wasn't the end of things with "scientific tuning" placing A at 430.54hz, Old Philharmonic tuning in the UK placing it at 452Hz, later New Philharmonic Tuning at 439hz was used and also Scheibler's studies with his Tonometer suggesting A =440Hz. The idea of Concert Pitch being introduced as a standard which is at 440Hz came about during the 20th century after the usage of it in America from the 20s, an international conference in the 30s and the acceptance of it by the International Organisation for Standardisation in the 1950s then reconfirmed in the 1970s. the difference to the diapason normal is due to confusion over the temperature at which the French standard should be measured and the rounding up from 439Hz ro 440hz is due to ease of producing 440Hz in lab conditions in comparison as 439 is a prime number. Often though these days 443 and 442 are used in many European countries and by the New York Philharmonic and the Boston Symphony Orchestras.

It's not because of littlehitlermen that it's an interesting concept to change the frequency of your main note within a system of notes you negative condescending piece of dj equipment.

deck?

whatever bit that carry dreams to a dancefloor

hubb wrote:It's not because of littlehitlermen that it's an interesting concept to change the frequency of your main note within a system of notes you negative condescending piece of dj equipment.

It's an interesting subject but one that's got nothing to do with sizan as suggest in an earlier post in the thread.

It's just the 'funny' reference point for something that have got people on dancemusic forums interested in tuning.

There's the one I posted earlier that makes a load of factually incorrect claims about it being linked to the sizan which it isn't.

Back on topic, yeah I have but from a more utilitarian perspective than aesthetic soundscape type shit. I have a Reaktor patch I've been fiddling with that's got a few binaural oscillators and an isochronic noise pulse that are all wired up to a base frequency control. It's also got an audio input which then gets filtered in time with the isochronic pulses. I've been kind of slack at fine tuning it but I did render out a 45 minute track that starts at a high frequency and slowly descends into theta range for falling asleep.

I wish I had a biofeedback EEG headset so I could do some more objective experiments. I don't really have much motivation to try and figure out the perfect combination of factors when my measurement mechanism is so subjective. A lot of this shit is really woo woo as well, so there's not really much sound advice on the internet about what works. I think sleep, meditation, and focus are the extent of brainwave entrainment's abilities. Not that those aren't valuable things to be able to influence, but this colon chakra purification type shit has saturated the community of people interested in this technique.

Back on this, if a theta wave is 6-10Hz, how can it be heard by the human ear or indeed played back through a speakers/headphones?

You play a separate sine wave in each ear at different frequencies where the difference between them is the desired frequency. So like 200hz in the left ear and 190hz in the right ear. You can also modulate noise or some signal at the sub audio frequency, basically an LFO.

Im quiet interested in the whole idea of thetawaves but like sunklo said, you cant say a certain frequency range will work, it will differ from person to person, some people will hardly notice a thing while others will be sure they do.