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Been thinking a bit about the role of FWD re: recent funky house excursions, presence (or lack) of grime and the little jungle, hardkore and garage blips we are occasionally given.

El-B is rightfully given props as a forefather of the sound and is recognised as such with slots at FWD and elsewhere. Now what about these other two who are often also name-checked? Are they still playing out garage sets? It would be wonderful to see them down at Plastic People.

For those in the know it would be a great chance to hear some top UK dance tunes on a good rig, and for those unfamiliar with their work a chance to hear some great music that helped shape the current scene.

UK Garage music is/was the beating heart of dubstep.

it think both steve gurley and zed are too engaged in their current projects to play plastic people. especially given the fact that zed is based in manchester now.

but i do think fwd need to do something to keep things interesting. funky house isn't the answer.

boomnoise wrote:but i do think fwd need to do something to keep things interesting. funky house isn't the answer.

what about funky dubstep b2b disco grime?

ThinKing wrote:

boomnoise wrote:but i do think fwd need to do something to keep things interesting. funky house isn't the answer.

what about funky dubstep b2b disco grime?

disco grime i could dig

boomnoise wrote:especially given the fact that zed is based in manchester now.

yep he owns/runs an amazing studio.

So what if he lives here in Manchester??? its only a 3hr drive... Mark1 have done the drive hundreds of time to preform @ FWD & in London, Oris(shefffield) has done the long drive in the past also...

Twisted Beatz wrote:

boomnoise wrote:especially given the fact that zed is based in manchester now.

yep he owns/runs an amazing studio.

So what if he lives here in Manchester??? its only a 3hr drive... Mark1 have done the drive hundreds of time to preform @ FWD & in London, Oris(shefffield) has done the long drive in the past also...

ok. see zed down fwd then

what i'm saying is i would be surprised that he would be up for playing fwd given how removed he is from the scene now. sonically moreover geographically.

Zeds on the Phuturistix stuff. Check the my yard goodness.
http://www.myspace.com/phuturistixmusic

Steve Gurley is a don and went into hiding too long ago, does he do d&b again now?

oris jay... legend! what about wookie? i reckon he would tear the place down. would love to hear his tunes on the system. not the recent ones tho.

seebs2000 wrote:oris jay... legend! what about wookie? i reckon he would tear the place down. would love to hear his tunes on the system. not the recent ones tho.

oris played down fwd not so long ago. would be great to have him back down.

the words disco grime make me too excited for words. although maybe they're closer than one might think via italo etc? i dont know enough to comment to be fair

steve gurley would be huge. what is he doing nowadays?

seebs2000 wrote:wookie

Wookie makes that "soulful" house these days. Like so:

http://mp3.juno.co.uk/MP3/SF256911-01-01-03.mp3
http://mp3.juno.co.uk/MP3/SF243414-01-01-01.mp3

Even in the early days of dubstep, so 1999-2000, Steve Gurley was a removed figure. He's namechecked as an influence because of the effect his records had on Zed and El-B more than of his day to day involvement.

Zed was different, he helped set up Ammo and was totally core to the beginning, esp the breakier and broken sides of the sound. But he's since chosen to focus on broken beat, so I'm guessing he'd be less interested in Forward>>.

i think funky house is an interesting direction for FWD>>. While i prefer grime by a long way, when the 'nuum mutates, as it clearly did last summer, you just have to go with it or get left behind - just as the original UKG crew were when grime and dubstep came about.

Still, i think Forward>> needs more vocal grime sets, plus international DJs like Joe Nice, Martyn etc.

I spoke to Wookie recently about playing our night in Bristol.
He said he only plays (and always has) funky, soulful house.
I was kinda confused

boomnoise wrote:it think both steve gurley and zed are too engaged in their current projects to play plastic people. especially given the fact that zed is based in manchester now.

but i do think fwd need to do something to keep things interesting. funky house isn't the answer.

Fair enough.

I was thinking of a way for some garage heart and soul being injected into FWD without it wallowing in bait '2002-02 History set' style retrospectivism (is that a word!?) Oris would be good to have again.

I remember reading somewhere that Zinc once played at FWD, doing a Jammin' style breakbeat-garage set presumably. This would have been years ago.

ThinKing wrote:what about funky dubstep b2b disco grime?

Funky dubstep - I remember that. Bring it

Surely the funky house thing came in due to a lack of what a lot of clubbers would consider dance music at grime and dubstep nights (I know you can dance to it, but I know plenty that don't "get" it). Getting the originators back on board could be a really good way to remedy this situation.

docdoom wrote:I remember reading somewhere that Zinc once played at FWD, doing a Jammin' style breakbeat-garage set presumably. This would have been years ago.

I think he's done one or two. I tried to book Zinc to play a breakstep set back in 2003 via FWD, but he said he didn't wanna do it. I think at that point he'd played on set like that out, and has done one since.

how is Funky House new and exciting though?

this is what im confused about..

if they were playing something like Minimal or some other wierd spin off which is getting big id understand it

Joe C wrote:how is Funky House new and exciting though?

this is what im confused about..

old music, new audience. I covered some of the issues here last summer if it's any use...

ThinKing wrote:

docdoom wrote:I remember reading somewhere that Zinc once played at FWD, doing a Jammin' style breakbeat-garage set presumably. This would have been years ago.

I think he's done one or two. I tried to book Zinc to play a breakstep set back in 2003 via FWD, but he said he didn't wanna do it. I think at that point he'd played on set like that out, and has done one since.

Always got the impression he was ashamed of garage. It was Dr. Zinc trying to surpress the Mr. Jammin' in him.