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I know this is super long but...

Posted: Wed Oct 01, 2014 1:30 pm
by ezza
Could u guys possibly have an argument about analog and digital lol.

I'm kinda writing a dissertation do with it and need peoples opinions to use as my own. :w:

also i suck at using the search function, can anyone link me some of the millions of threads that have gone over this before?

big ups will be given

Re: I know this is super long but...

Posted: Wed Oct 01, 2014 1:31 pm
by wolf89
Nah no point in having an argument. both analogue and digital audio processing/recording/synthesis methods are useful for different things and so both have a place as tools in modern music

Re: I know this is super long but...

Posted: Wed Oct 01, 2014 1:34 pm
by hubb
What wolf said. But if i wanted to borrow an opinion on the subject i'd go for Walter Benjamins..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Work_o ... production

Re: I know this is super long but...

Posted: Wed Oct 01, 2014 1:37 pm
by Samuel_L_Damnson
only dicks use analog cos its not as good as massive vst at makin wobbels.

what wolf said is correct tho. in a recording and mixing context they both have thier place. my favorite playback medium is vinyl but its such a ball ache so i would usually opt for 320kbps mp3. the only thing where analog is massively better every time is pre amps imo.

Re: I know this is super long but...

Posted: Wed Oct 01, 2014 1:44 pm
by ezza
wolf89 wrote:Nah no point in having an argument. both analogue and digital audio processing/recording/synthesis methods are useful for different things and so both have a place as tools in modern music
i don't have a preference i just want you to argue so i can write about it :lol:

you love arguing

help me out

Re: I know this is super long but...

Posted: Wed Oct 01, 2014 1:46 pm
by ezza
ok not have an opinion on which is definitively better... but the reasons why you and other people prefer either format.

or can any of you remember threads where this sorta stuff has been talked over?

i swear I've read LOADS but i can't find any

Re: I know this is super long but...

Posted: Wed Oct 01, 2014 1:59 pm
by hubb
ezzay eh ?

but .... if you make a comparison then everybody will jump on it tbf


like what do you want answered ?

if you ask where what is prefered in a sort of territorial discussion, it will certainly have people taking a side.. like cddecks vs vinyl decks etc

Re: I know this is super long but...

Posted: Wed Oct 01, 2014 2:05 pm
by ezza
I DONT KNOW HELP ME :corncry: :corncry: :corncry:


so to start im gonna write a broad intro bout da technical differences and peoples preference/opinions

then i think I'm gonna try narrow it down to synthesis. so I'm gonna test about 5 analog synths, 5 digital, and then analyze these using fuzzmeasure(http://supermegaultragroovy.com/products/FuzzMeasure/). see the comparisons and write bout dat

then I'm gonna make some samples using both doing identical phrases and do a human blind test and write bout dat

then write some more bla bla bla

just be good to have a lot of different opinions going into it so i can beef it out a bit easier

Re: I know this is super long but...

Posted: Wed Oct 01, 2014 2:20 pm
by AxeD
I know quite a bit about the technical aspect, but don't really have a strong opinion.
Would definitely employ the analogue clock, digital clock metaphor though. I find that's the best way
to explain that there's still a difference between a high sample rate and a truly analogue signal.

Or looking at the similarities between aliasing in sound and image.

Re: I know this is super long but...

Posted: Wed Oct 01, 2014 2:22 pm
by wub
Analogue is better because peasants can't afford it. Every tnuc with an internet connection downloads Massive and Vengeance sample packs and we wonder why all the shit sounds the same.

Re: I know this is super long but...

Posted: Wed Oct 01, 2014 2:51 pm
by hubb
a really good place would be the grid on doa tbh

I would happily give my opinion in depth if you narrow down the areas

Re: I know this is super long but...

Posted: Wed Oct 01, 2014 3:12 pm
by Soiree


the answer is all ways...

it depends...

or...


all in on the river drawing dead to Johnny Chan :4:

Re: I know this is super long but...

Posted: Wed Oct 01, 2014 3:25 pm
by lloydnoise
wolf89 wrote:Nah no point in having an argument. both analogue and digital audio processing/recording/synthesis methods are useful for different things and so both have a place as tools in modern music
/tread

Re: I know this is super long but...

Posted: Wed Oct 01, 2014 3:27 pm
by lloydnoise
ezza wrote:I DONT KNOW HELP ME :corncry: :corncry: :corncry:


so to start im gonna write a broad intro bout da technical differences and peoples preference/opinions

then i think I'm gonna try narrow it down to synthesis. so I'm gonna test about 5 analog synths, 5 digital, and then analyze these using fuzzmeasure(http://supermegaultragroovy.com/products/FuzzMeasure/). see the comparisons and write bout dat

then I'm gonna make some samples using both doing identical phrases and do a human blind test and write bout dat

then write some more bla bla bla

just be good to have a lot of different opinions going into it so i can beef it out a bit easier
talk about valves and 'physicality'. one of the reasons analogue sounds so good is it exists in a physical realm before it leaves a speaker. stuff going through gas, air, tubes etc, always sounds better than something str8 out of a chip. can't beat the physical world tbh

Re: I know this is super long but...

Posted: Wed Oct 01, 2014 3:30 pm
by wub
You could make a study of the different inert gases used to fill valve tubes to see which one gives the warmest sound.

Re: I know this is super long but...

Posted: Wed Oct 01, 2014 3:58 pm
by nowaysj
wolf89 wrote:both analogue and digital ... are useful for different things
That's not the point though. The point is using them interchangeably for the same thing. And it seems specifically, synthesis in this case.

Agent, search my username in the production forum, and the terms 'analog' and 'digital'. I've been in a million of those conversations over there. Not the most learned, but points have been raised.

Re: I know this is super long but...

Posted: Wed Oct 01, 2014 4:28 pm
by RKM
analog cos mala told me to

Re: I know this is super long but...

Posted: Wed Oct 01, 2014 4:31 pm
by ezza
AxeD wrote:I know quite a bit about the technical aspect, but don't really have a strong opinion.
Would definitely employ the analogue clock, digital clock metaphor though. I find that's the best way
to explain that there's still a difference between a high sample rate and a truly analogue signal.

Or looking at the similarities between aliasing in sound and image.
lloydnoise wrote: talk about valves and 'physicality'. one of the reasons analogue sounds so good is it exists in a physical realm before it leaves a speaker. stuff going through gas, air, tubes etc, always sounds better than something str8 out of a chip. can't beat the physical world tbh
yeah nice one i put a bit about both in my proposal :W:

Re: I know this is super long but...

Posted: Wed Oct 01, 2014 4:32 pm
by ezza
nowaysj wrote:
wolf89 wrote:both analogue and digital ... are useful for different things
That's not the point though. The point is using them interchangeably for the same thing. And it seems specifically, synthesis in this case.

Agent, search my username in the production forum, and the terms 'analog' and 'digital'. I've been in a million of those conversations over there. Not the most learned, but points have been raised.
sweet ill have a good look tomorrow. all day on dsf :corndance: #EDUCATION

Re: I know this is super long but...

Posted: Wed Oct 01, 2014 4:32 pm
by ezza
hubb wrote:What wolf said. But if i wanted to borrow an opinion on the subject i'd go for Walter Benjamins..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Work_o ... production
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