RICK SIMPSON - CBD oil curing cancer?

[shmurkle]

is this guy real?

i would love to believe that cannabis oil cures cancer, anyone got any info on him?

http://phoenixtears.ca
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Rick-Sim ... 4923502987

[OGLemon]

[test_recordings]

It might help, needs sound scientific backing. I heard Jesus is reckoned to have used it though

[mks]

I just tried my first high CBD strain for the first time last week. It's called Harlequin. Very low THC levels and very high CBD levels that are consistent with this phenom. This herb will not get you high. I did feel a tingling in my sinuses in the same way when I took an NSAID pill. I'm still experimenting with that plant. I did smoke some on lunch break at work the last week which is something I never do because I have a very technical job. Like I said, that stuff will not get you high and I was having a very high pain day.

I do think that there needs to be more research on the effects of CBD's.

[Phigure]

no.

there's still a lot of research to be done about the effects of thc/cbd/cbn on cancers, and there's some evidence that they can stop or slow growth of, and perhaps even help kill, some types of cancer cells, but the idea that it's just a flat out "cure for cancer" is absurd and harmful.

same goes for the nonsense like "cancer cells die in an alkaline environment so just eat a lot of baking soda." people forego genuine medical treatment and opt for alternatives they read about them on the internet, and they die. misinformation kills (and gives false hope)

[shmurkle]

no.

there's still a lot of research to be done about the effects of thc/cbd/cbn on cancers, and there's some evidence that they can stop or slow growth of, and perhaps even help kill, some types of cancer cells, but the idea that it's just a flat out "cure for cancer" is absurd and harmful.

same goes for the nonsense like "cancer cells die in an alkaline environment so just eat a lot of baking soda." people forego genuine medical treatment and opt for alternatives they read about them on the internet, and they die. misinformation kills (and gives false hope)

sorry, headline is a little misleading, i apologise.
i don't remember seeing anything rick saying as it being a cure for cancer, more of a substitute for chemo?

yes he says it kills cancer cells in the same way chemo is supposed to kill cancer cells, but with less less aviasion. would you call chemo a cure for cancer?

there seems to be a lot of stories on his Facebook page from peoples accounts saying its treated all sorts of illnesses from cancers and tumours to gout and arthritis.

people say there needs to be more research in this but i doubt the pharmaceutical companies are gonna research into something that will effectively lose them money? anybody that can get hold of cannabis can make this oil thus not needing expensive treatments anymore?

[magma]

people say there needs to be more research in this but i doubt the pharmaceutical companies are gonna research into something that will effectively lose them money? anybody that can get hold of cannabis can make this oil thus not needing expensive treatments anymore?

Why would finding a new product to sell lose anyone money? I would've thought they'd be rushing get on the gravy train tbh.

There is research into CBDs going on now and several preperations (sprays, tablets etc) already sold by pharmaceutical companies where use is legal... people could make penicillin at home too, but most defer to Big Pharma so they can rely on accurate dosing, convenient preperations and reliable supply.

[jrkhnds]

the idea itself to "cure cancer" is wrong in itself. lung cancer isn't just "lung cancer", instead there are virtually countless forms of cancer that may originate from mutated cells. every form needs different and separate treatment; hence why cancer research is very expensive. developing medication for a specific tumour that accounts for maybe 5% of all prostate cancer patients is costly, with small-scale production/distribution to follow it up. and there's no glory in the research - nobody will get a Nobel price for curing a form of cancer that occurs in 0.08 percent of all patients...
the very concept of hindering "tumor cells'" growth as if they were some form of general misstep in a body's self-renewal is wrong.

I don't doubt cbd can help easing the effects of many symptoms, though...

[test_recordings]

You can't patent CBD so drug companies don't care about research. They'll just wait until someone else cracks it then copy it

[shmurkle]

people say there needs to be more research in this but i doubt the pharmaceutical companies are gonna research into something that will effectively lose them money? anybody that can get hold of cannabis can make this oil thus not needing expensive treatments anymore?

Why would finding a new product to sell lose anyone money? I would've thought they'd be rushing get on the gravy train tbh.

Rick Simpson doesn't sell this cannabis oil, he advises to to make it yourself, it's easy to make and you know it's in it's purest form.

How would pharmaceutical companies make money if people are doing this exactly?

[magma]

people say there needs to be more research in this but i doubt the pharmaceutical companies are gonna research into something that will effectively lose them money? anybody that can get hold of cannabis can make this oil thus not needing expensive treatments anymore?

Why would finding a new product to sell lose anyone money? I would've thought they'd be rushing get on the gravy train tbh.

Rick Simpson doesn't sell this cannabis oil, he advises to to make it yourself, it's easy to make and you know it's in it's purest form.

How would pharmaceutical companies make money if people are doing this exactly?

That's fine for individuals who have the ability and will to spend the time and effort, but like I said, the same can be said of penicillin... why do you think most people don't culture their own antibiotics from mouldy bread when they feel ill rather than get a course of pills from their doctor?

At some point the economies of scale available to big industries come into play and things get cheaper and, probably most importantly with medicines, more reliable as a result... there are a great deal of things we could all make for ourselves that we don't. Did you bake your own bread this morning? You could've done. Did you make your own Baked Beans last time you had them? Did you raise livestock in your garden for your Christmas dinner?

[shmurkle]

Comparing those items which cost £1 to cannabis oil which is potentially saving your life from cancer is a little extravagant if you ask me.

Why would I buy this oil from the companies that have dismissed it to begin with?
And why have they dismissed it? People have been saying on his fb page that doctors told them not to take this oil as it's dangerous but they went against their advice and it cured them?

[magma]

Comparing those items which cost £1 to cannabis oil which is potentially saving your life from cancer is a little extravagant if you ask me.

I think it's a fair comparison. Yeah, we could produce all sorts of things for ourselves... but we don't do everything for ourselves, because otherwise we'd never get anything else done. You could grow all the antibiotics and painkillers you need for day-to-day life in your garden, but I bet you reach for the Nurofen when you've got a headache. I've grown dope as a hobby and it's very rewarding... I wouldn't want to have to rely on my plant for my health though. I'd rather that was done on an industrial scale so I didn't die if I got a minor bug infestation.

Why would I buy this oil from the companies that have dismissed it to begin with?

What makes you think they've dismissed it? I'm sure people have in the past, but "Big Pharma" isn't a single entity that never changes, it's not one bloke in an Ivory Tower commanding "Thall shalt not!", it's an industry made of tens of thousands of people all making decisions about what's profitable (and legal) for them. There are untold studies going on into CBD and THC right now. There are commercial CBD based medicines produced by "Big Pharma" on sale in the US. You can get THC mouth sprays for Multiple Sclerosis in the UK on prescription.

Society as a whole is shifting in its views to cannabis... once given the freedom to do so, industry will provide THC and CBD in all the preperations that prove profitable. It'd be absolutely crazy not to and we'd be crazy not to let them. I'd like to see recreational users able to grow their own, but when it's medicine it's too important to put in the hands of individuals. Industry can guarantee quality and quantity in ways that single people never can.

And why have they dismissed it? People have been saying on his fb page that doctors told them not to take this oil as it's dangerous but they went against their advice and it cured them?

I don't know, but maybe because it's still illegal in most places?

I'm no expert on the Hippocratic Oath, but I'm fairly confident your doctor isn't supposed to recommend you break the law. There are probably plenty of mispractise guidelines about recommending unproven treatments too.

But people have to remember that Doctors are individuals. They have personal opinions and varying levels of experience and education. Some Doctors will quietly suggest you try things like this, others will protect themselves... some will be of the opinion that you might do yourself harm. The only solution is widespread clinical testing creating concrete data so that everyone's on the same page.