tragedy in pakistan serious talk only no islamaphobia please

[soronery]

disclaimer i am not insinuating that all muslims are responsible for the actions of a few with guns

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-30491435

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/asia/2014 ... 94184.html

dark times in the world rip in peace children of pakistan



is there an answer to this kind of action

[OGLemon]

so much suffering in the world

[soronery]

the answer cant be to ban religion


as so many act in religion for good purposes

but extermisim gives everything a bad slant

[OGLemon]

education + increasing the quality of life for all in the middle east

[soronery]

education + increasing the quality of life for all in the middle east

extremists dont necessecarily come from families with low qualities of life


or lacking education

[RKM]

i would suggest that a lot of extremism in those regions could be helped if the only schooling was not the madrasa, if you've got no money and only know religion you're liable to go a bit nuts

[soronery]

extremism is a global problem though not confined to those areas without education scholling


look at australia cafe siege also this week

[OGLemon]

but the lack of the two really do play into increasing extremism. Hell, a lot of people would probably consider me an extremist, but I'm non-violent. Maybe the root of the problem is a society of violence, with religious extremism being a vehicle for the expression.

[dickman69]

A lot of extremism in that area could be helped if afghanistan and pakistan werent political/geographic rivals because a lot of what goes on in thoseoutside fringe provinces like warzistan (sp?) is gone unchecked by either country and this is where groups like the taliban are able to spring up

Although the new afghan leader has been more open to US and pakistan, the more open to western resources you are the more shit like this will happen

Hopefully hr doesnt shut back down into isolation

[OGLemon]

hard to believe that this was once Afghanistan

[dickman69]

Well that was bc of the "evils" of colonialism wasnt it??

[RKM]

afghanistan was under heavy british influence for a while but was pretty much impossible to make part of the colonies

[butter_man]

I'm not gonna try and fully comprehend this. to me its just numbers and people.
I know that sounds horrible and is the problem the world over but when I do I imagine the parents, the grief of each childs parent as they realise the life of the person they cared about most in this world gone, for what? I dont wanna think about it as I go round xmas shopping trying to find the perfect present for my son and daughter. Imagining them as they grow up and how this present may help develope skills in them to help further there life. Its hard knowing that, for what ever reasons the people who done this chose to, that there's going to be parents no different from me and the way I feel about my children suffering the loss that most parents dare not even entertain.

this is fucked up shit and now I want to cry.

[OGLemon]

I don't know a lot about Afghanistan's history, but I do believe that RKM is correct.

The man issue with Afghanistan is the lack of organization and economic development.

[dickman69]

Sphere of influence from england/india doesnt have to be direct

[dickman69]

Im just being a dick devils adv bc u post pic of afghan in western clothes and say 'look how great'
But then rail against imperialism in every other post

Shouldnt be point of discussion move on w/e

[hubb]

I don't know a lot about Afghanistan's history, but I do believe that RKM is correct.

The man issue with Afghanistan is the lack of organization and economic development.

The main issue is that they've been warring with both the US and Russia which means nobody would/could help them out, except for grassroot/terror organisations or countries in war with either (in like the last 30 years).

[Samuel_L_Damnson]

There is still gunmen in the building apparently according to the news on telly this morning

[soronery]

death toll to 135

another 114 injuries

6th gunmen has been shot

The Pakistani Taliban have attempted to justify the attack. Taliban spokesman Mohammad Khurasani says it was a response to anti-militant offensives in North Waziristan and the Khyber region. "The children of our tribes are our children. The women of our tribes are our mothers and our sisters. Six hundred people have been killed in just one year, innocent people who were killed, their bodies mangled."

Mohammad Khurasani added: "These are the soldiers who have thrown their bodies in sacks. We were forced to make this decision, so that they should be hurt in their homes. When you are wounded in your own home then you realise. They burnt our homes and we were forced to set their homes on fire."

[OGLemon]

Im just being a dick devils adv bc u post pic of afghan in western clothes and say 'look how great'
But then rail against imperialism in every other post

Interesting, the pictures may be an example of cultural imperialism, or maybe a example of the PDPA trying to become more in line with Soviet culture. Either way, the movement toward secularization is something that would be a great benefit to the people of Afghanistan.