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Overhyping in the dubstep scene
Posted: Fri Apr 21, 2006 9:20 pm
by intoccabile
I would like your help for a little article on dubstep I'm writing ( dubstep and Rezeptionsästhetik ).
I need to ask you a few questions.
Hopefully this will develop into an interesting and fruitful conversation.
Now let's try to stay on topic and avoid the " zone of fruitless intensification of flaming and negativity " !
My questions for you are :
Do you feel that certain dubstep pieces, in the past, have been overhyped ?
Why do you feel they have been overhyped ? How could this be explained ?
Do you feel that dubstep tune reviews sometimes make them appear better than they really are ? ( might not be dubstep specific ! ).
Do you sometimes feel pressure to express the same opinion as other dubsteppers in fear of being labelled a fake dubstep head / hater or something along those lines ?
And if some of you could write some thoughts on the effect of group pressure on aesthetic judgement of dubstep tunes ( and some examples ? ) I would be most grateful !
Thnx !
Posted: Fri Apr 21, 2006 9:37 pm
by delsa
Some interesting ideas there, i'll stick you some answers in a pm when i get the time.
Nice pic btw, that sand loving guy.
Re: Overhyping in the dubstep scene
Posted: Fri Apr 21, 2006 9:48 pm
by saigon
Intoccabile wrote:
Do you feel that certain dubstep pieces, in the past, have been overhyped ?
hmmm... fällt mir jetz nix ein
Intoccabile wrote:
Do you feel that dubstep tune reviews sometimes make them appear better than they really are ? ( might not be dubstep specific ! ).
schwer zu beantworten, da meinungen verschieden sind. natürlich dacht ich mir schon oft "wie kann man DEN tune so gut bewerten?" aber wer weiß, vielleicht mag ihn der reviewer halt so gern... du weißt woraf ich hinaus will?!
Intoccabile wrote:
Do you sometimes feel pressure to express the same opinion as other dubsteppers in fear of being labelled a fake dubstep head / hater or something along those lines ?
nein
hoffe das hilft dir
wenn dir die antworten nicht ausreichend genug sind musst es nur sagen, aber ich muss die letze sbahn erwischen
Re: Overhyping in the dubstep scene
Posted: Fri Apr 21, 2006 10:10 pm
by [b]racket
Intoccabile wrote:Now let's try to stay on topic and avoid the " zone of fruitless intensification of flaming and negativity "
Whilst I can understand that you are spreading the word through asking us these questions, they seem to be aimed mostly (if not all) at a newer audience to the sound...
I personally couldnt answer without sounding a tad negative so I wont at the moment.
..actually i am feeling well negative tonight anyhow...bit sore that im not a Skull Disco.
Carry on.
Posted: Fri Apr 21, 2006 10:17 pm
by [b]racket
Actually lets carry on like this..
We will have a dubstep pub quiz.
Stellas Stripes Guiness and Rum.
And questions about dubstep..
Re: Overhyping in the dubstep scene
Posted: Fri Apr 21, 2006 10:27 pm
by hamzen
Intoccabile wrote:
My questions for you are :
Do you feel that certain dubstep pieces, in the past, have been overhyped ?
No
Why do you feel they have been overhyped ? How could this be explained ?
If anything underhyped, if not I might have found out about the scene a lot earlier 
, on the other hand the absence of the usual hype once I had found it was one of the most refreshing aspects of it. Long may the dnb overhype and the hyped up attitude of dnb crowds be minimal here.
Do you feel that dubstep tune reviews sometimes make them appear better than they really are ? ( might not be dubstep specific ! ).
Re reviews you'd have to say where, I've seen little written lit on tracks, re blogs, not at all, again if anything understated in terms of what's bein produced.
Do you sometimes feel pressure to express the same opinion as other dubsteppers in fear of being labelled a fake dubstep head / hater or something along those lines ?
Yep, and no bad thing, since a newbie arriving could easily miss the sublety of what's goin down, and the depth of the music. To give you a classic example, took me a good few nights before I really found myself in that meditative zone the music can produce, pretty key I would have thought.
I aslo think theres no harm in showing respect to a scene that'as quality as this, what's the rush, settle in, absorb, think a bit before sopouting, all good in my eyes, and one of the things I love about dubstep so far.
And if some of you could write some thoughts on the effect of group pressure on aesthetic judgement of dubstep tunes ( and some examples ? ) I would be most grateful !
Pretty much what I said above.
Thnx !
Posted: Fri Apr 21, 2006 10:48 pm
by fubar
Dont know if any tracks get overhyped, if alot of people like a track then alot of people like a track, the only difference is in a community like this less people are likely to say that they dont like a track just beause its seeming negative for no reason and some of the artists post on here so it might seem to them (probably not the artists) like it would be a bit rude. Im personally not buying into the genre as a whole when I get records etc, I like alot of tracks but I only buy the records I really like, unfortunately for my wallet theres so many good records being released at the moment.
Posted: Sat Apr 22, 2006 5:32 am
by boomnoise
i'd like to add this: surely hype by its very nature is just that, 'hype'. can something be over hyped when hype itself comes out of subjective opinion? these questions seem to allude to some sort of objective 'truth'.
your questions only seem to invite subjective opinions about subjective opinions.
aren't you just better off writing about what your subjective opinion is?
sorry is that sounds negative. just got in from skull disco so i'm a little bit frazzled. hopefully you'll get what i mean though.
Posted: Sat Apr 22, 2006 11:45 am
by grievous_angel
dubstep isn't over hyped
it's the best music int he world right now
healing music
people unite
Posted: Sat Apr 22, 2006 12:02 pm
by el sub sta
I think this sound is starting to connect with people slowly..
Posted: Sat Apr 22, 2006 12:26 pm
by elgato
boomnoise wrote:i'd like to add this: surely hype by its very nature is just that, 'hype'. can something be over hyped when hype itself comes out of subjective opinion? these questions seem to allude to some sort of objective 'truth'.
your questions only seem to invite subjective opinions about subjective opinions.
This is very true. I dont think the first lot of questions really have much point. The later questions though, about the extent to which the scene operates in terms of sort of herd mentality, seem more valid, as while evoking subjective responses, and inevitably involving individual psychological variability (in that, for a very oversimplified example, a meek person would feel more pressure to 'follow', and an assertive person might not even notice the 'pressure'), there is potential for an insight into the scene in a sort of sociological sense (without the need for the value judgements involved in the earlier questions).
From my perspective, I percieve some people to perhaps follow micro-trends in tastes, but compared with other scenes ive experienced, it seems like nothing, most people seem completely happy to express their opinions and tastes and ive never seen anybody isolated or labelled, at least not without a good number of people backing them and the discussion becoming a more balanced one (rather than a majority isolating a minority). On the whole, the scene seems balanced and open at the moment. I personally have never felt pressure to express the same opinion as anyone!
Regarding group pressure affecting aesthetic judgement, im not sure. I can only speak for myself (given what ive said already), and i certainly dont believe that what 'the group' thinks or says has affected the way ive enjoyed this music. On a slightly different note, I think that potentially there is a subconscious influence in terms of the artist that i know is behind a track, it seems intuitive that it will affect my appreciation one way or the other, but as for quantification or examples...your guess is really as good as mine
What is the article for? Im intrigued as to precisely where Rezeptionsästhetik comes in regarding the questions i have responded to, with my very very minor knowledge of it im finding it hard to see the link. Is it that you wish to discredit Rezeptionsästhetik and then proceed more under the rubric of "Rezeptionsgeschichte"? If you are, as i said to start with, i think its very very important that you fully acknowledge the limitations imposed by subjective response and individual pschology, not only within the 'scene' but within yourself
Posted: Sat Apr 22, 2006 3:49 pm
by adruu
no hype...yet...alot of positivity
hype as a concept doesnt mean much if it encompasses both corporate spin media giants and indie bloggers/music boards.
Posted: Mon Apr 24, 2006 7:07 pm
by rekall
Why do you feel they have been overhyped ? How could this be explained ?
for better or worse, until the public at large gets a clue,
small upstart scenes need big mouths.
Do you sometimes feel pressure to express the same opinion as other dubsteppers in fear of being labelled a fake dubstep head / hater or something along those lines ?
not NEARLY as much as can be witnessed in drum n' bass.
in dubstep (from what i've seen so far)
"if you don't have something nice to say, don't say anything at all"
seems to be a golden rule that's been unspoken but followed religiously from the get-go.