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I have a ton of respect for Joe Nice, but imho he displays some very narrow-minded attitudes in that interview.

On the most recent lineup there’s a whole lot more techno and drum and bass involved. That’s not what this is about. This is not a multi-genre lineup and event, it’s something that’s supposed to be a soundsystem event that focuses on those sounds that lives closely within that culture—dubstep, dub, reggae. There’s nothing about techno that says soundsystem.

also, reconstrvct twitter is pretty entertaining at the moment:

man this whole thing just oozes professionalism doesn't it...

tbf I can understand the reconstrvct guy's frustration. I'd be beyond pissed if one of my former residents would walk out and talk shit on the way I manage my night in the press. the way he handles this frustration might just end his business though.

There’s nothing about techno that says soundsystem.

Apart from all the techno sound systems that have been putting on free parties from way before dubstep was even a meer blip on the radar. what a plonker

He started off well by doing a Mala and saying he'd no longer be associated with the night but leaving it ambiguous. Then went into painful detail in an interview soley designed to dig at that night

wow

This all seems a bit silly really.

First of all if you're a dubstep DJ and you feel like Dubstep isn't being represented enough, don't take yourself off the lineup, surely that means even less dubstep?

Drum & Bass and Techno (which he admits he knows nothing about) not soundsystem music? ... Wut?

And you can't just go round telling people how to run their club night. Start your own if you've got such a problem.

And don't air your dirty laundry on VICE/twitter.

Still love Joe Nice obviously, and he can play (or not) wherever he wants, but this was a bad way to handle it.

"Drum & bass isn't soundsystem music" is not a thing any DJ with any amount of knowledge should say ever. It's in the fucking genre title.

imma give joe nice the benefit of a doubt and say that it could just be a case of internet journalists being shitheads and edit the fuck out of his answers b2b adding some dramatic title to be clickbait
still a bitch move tho. both of them really
and like i said in the other thread

ultraspatial wrote:commenting about shit not being true dubstep and then bigging up pinch and addison groove

edit: weren't reconstrvct the ones w/ the no talking no drugs no fun rules?

They were always about no hard drugs, but welcomed people smoking weed indoors. That & "no talking" are great rules, imo. Nothing will ruin your music experience faster than being babbled at by a cokehead.

And "no talking" isn't even a rule, it's a suggestion.

I don't think a cokehead would care about the rules tbh. I thought their system was meant to be amazing surely people talking wouldn't effect your experience that much.

just eurrgh all round

i've got the feeling a lot of those people commenting didn't even read the interview carefully.
first of, at no point he directly said drum and bass isn't soundsystem music.
about techo not being soundsystem music i can understand where he is coming from. not saying i agree or disagree as i think the definition of soundsystem music is very vague and in the end comes down to personal preferences. but for me the way techno and other similar genres with straight beats (house, minimal, whatever) are presented and the vibe i get from those parties, it's definately not what i consider soundsystem music. for me, a big part of that culture is about people getting involved, mcs, gunfingers, reloads, etc. at a lot of those other nights i get the impression that most people don't even care or know who's playing.

apart from that i think he made some good points about cultivating your own local scene. and even though i know how hard it can be to put on a dubstep only event, i understand why people don't want to go back to the times where you had to put a different genre on a flyer to sell enough tickets, after dubstep grew out of that '3rd room on a dnb night' stage.

i honestly don't understand all the fuss about that interview. i don't think he stabbed someone in the back and i'm pretty sure he told the reconstrvct people about his opinions at some point before. it's always painful to see people who should know about professionalism act like 3rd graders on twitter, facebook, etc. i'd much rather read an interview explaining their side of the story.

re: soundsystem

Be-1ne wrote:

There’s nothing about techno that says soundsystem.

Apart from all the techno sound systems that have been putting on free parties from way before dubstep was even a meer blip on the radar. what a plonker

i think this sorta got forgotten about/pushed back cause it's too crusty for classy urban ravers but the vibes at these are p much exactly what dub/dubstep/soundsystem w/e purists preach

people are forgetting there's plenty of bass in techno
like ffs if kevin saunderson didn't write just want another chance there wouldn't be entire genres of british dance/bass music

baddis98 wrote:for me, a big part of that culture is about people getting involved, mcs, gunfingers, reloads, etc. at a lot of those other nights i get the impression that most people don't even care or know who's playing.

fair enough
but you get people not caring about the music at any sort of night, specially bigger events. seen & knew plenty of kids who never gave a shit about the music at dnb & dubstep nights
as for crowd involvement, reloads etc i don't think that all that common outside of the uk. for local djs at least. maybe other euro heads can confirm/deny
and i've read plenty of interviews in which djs said they don't care for mcs over their sets - not too mention aggy comments on yt/sc

Yeah whenever its a Thump/Vice piece you always gots to be skeptical to an extent but variety in a night is never a bad thing

I still think its possible to establish a 140 all night bill with variety & interest but it seems harder than before. Even the last few System's have been case nd point, the place was going OFF when LAS stepped up to some 160+ bits for example, despite just playing a nuts set of 140. same when Om/DBridge hopped on

A lot of the premiere 140 guys atm operate over a few tempos/boundaries anyway which is a good thing, Kahn, Gantz, Commodo, Goth Trad, Thelem, LAS etc all have released/dubs that cover several bpm's & styles but are still huge.

Yeah, some seriously great dubstep tunes have been made by dnb producers (Breakage, Icicle, etc), and the more sparse dnb made after 2010 (autonomic stuff) owes a lot aesthetically to dubstep. Cross pollination is only good for all parties involved.

dont be pedantic
when Joe says sound system music he means dub, reggae and dubstep.
i dont think anyone here thought VIVEK was gonna release techno when he announced "SYSTEM"...

I think variety is great for a night but the highlight at least for reconstrvct should always be a big 140 name.
Or at least thats the way I saw it.
Dub Warz spiritual successor and that...



I dont think Joe is out of touch or anything.
I think they just had creative differences and couldnt reach a middle ground, simple as that.
Doing an interview and tweeting about it are both unprofessional things to do though.


EDIT:
shit the main act dont even have to be 140, Keysound @ RECONSTRVCT was one of my favorite dances ever.

ultraspatial wrote: but you get people not caring about the music at any sort of night, specially bigger events. seen & knew plenty of kids who never gave a shit about the music at dnb & dubstep nights
as for crowd involvement, reloads etc i don't think that all that common outside of the uk. for local djs at least. maybe other euro heads can confirm/deny

i'm from (east) germany and i'd say it's pretty common for reggae and dubstep nights. of course there's always gonna be some people looking like what the hell just happened?!
and you're right about people not giving a shit at dubstep nights either. i still feel (over here) generally more people know their stuff and care. maybe because chemical drugs aren't really a thing at those events?

Chemical drugs are very much a part of Dubstep/Dub/Soundsystem nights in the UK. Or actually any night. Nothing quite like the scale of drug use at free parties admittedly but that's to be expected

I think maybe there are cultural differences. Being from the UK it's hard to understand these divisions cos the reggae/soundsystem thing is so big here and has such a long history that it isn't that separate from "rave" culture (techno influenced hardcore sampling reggae lead us to jungle etc.) and we take it all for granted. Other countries are probably trying harder to establish "scenes" cos it didn't just happen there organically and they might not see the links between '92 techno/hardcore and dubstep/soundsystem music that seem obvious to us.

This is just a general musing and not aimed at anyone imparticular.