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I'm just curious to see if there is much of this happening. I know a few producers present their material using Live, but what about those who use it purely to play other people's music.

(obviously not a popular option, given the die-hard vinyl mentality that is part of the dubstep ethos)

I've heard one or two sets, but to my mind they didn't reallly expand greatly upon what can be acheived with turntables alone.

Any impressive examples?

I've been doing this quite a bit, theres a few of my mixes on the forum. I've finally bought a laptop & traktor though so going to start using those eventually.

I have been using Live the last few months for djing.

Me and Stormfield did a b2b ableton live set which is up on the Combat Recordings website

Best mix I know of done on Ableton has to be Grievous Angel's Dubstep Sufferah Vol. 3

http://www.dubstepforum.com/viewtopic.p ... p+sufferah

Big mix

grevious angel's 'dubstep sufferah' vol. 1 is proper. some amazing stuff. spot on selection also

Did this set a few months ago:

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=2KO0BHRA

Tracklist:
Sub Version - Soul-Jah Boogie (Intro)
Justin Timberlake - My Love (RUF RMX)
Rusko - Jah Love
Cotti & Cluekid - Sensi Dub
Obea - Copenhagen Massive
The Bug - Skeng feat. Flo Dan
Goth-Trad - Flags
Pinch - Gangstaz feat. Juakali
Mark-One - Plodder (Skream RMX)
Darqwan - Ghost Not Memory
Caspa - Rubber Chicken
The Black Ghosts - Some Way Through This (Plastician & Skream RMX)
Uncle Sam - Round The World Girls (Tes La Rok RMX)
Matty G - West Coast Rocks (Jeep RMX)
Ghosthack - RUOK feat. Ambivalent
Mala - Changes

Im a vinyl junkie as much as the next man
but its too expensive for me to keep up
its hit and miss for me with CDJs
..and I dont trust Serato (was about to invest in this then saw a serato set that went horribly wrong) sure the same technical issues could arise with ableton in most cases but....
I would much rather spend time producing my own tunes than spending hours and hours practicing on my decks to make my beatmatching etc extraordinary.
Been using ableton for years, its intuitive and allows for endless possibilites + plus you can switch seamlessly into a live set of your own tunes.

+ despite what many purists say it aint always so easy to warp some of your tunes

people are more forgiving of a dodgy mix than they are of a dodgy tune selection... and it is my tune selection that I want people to take note of.

my mates got ableton and has been on at me for time to go round his and do a dubstep megamix on it, gonna go round this week and sort it

Although he doesn't make sets or play out using it, I've heard dj cure do some pretty crazy shit with ableton

heres a mix i put together while i was away from my tables out of the country recently. i had previously digitally archived most of my tracks to play using serato, so warping and messing about in ableton was pretty easy. its my first digital mix, so i tried not to go overboard with edits, but there definitely are a few to spot if youre keen on it
lemme know what you think.

Whineo wrote:Im a vinyl junkie as much as the next man
but its too expensive for me to keep up
its hit and miss for me with CDJs
..and I dont trust Serato (was about to invest in this then saw a serato set that went horribly wrong) sure the same technical issues could arise with ableton in most cases but....
I would much rather spend time producing my own tunes than spending hours and hours practicing on my decks to make my beatmatching etc extraordinary.
Been using ableton for years, its intuitive and allows for endless possibilites + plus you can switch seamlessly into a live set of your own tunes.

+ despite what many purists say it aint always so easy to warp some of your tunes

people are more forgiving of a dodgy mix than they are of a dodgy tune selection... and it is my tune selection that I want people to take note of.

Not to start a whole nother Serato vs whatever thread, but seriously, Serato is way better than traktor. I would suggest trying them both out before investing, especially if you are a vinyl person to start with. Ive been using it for over two years now and Ive only ever had one problem and that was due to the turntable being wired backwards after a repair (the turntables outputs got switched causeing serato to play tracks backwards, easily fixed by reversing the outputs going into the box) Traktors vinyl control has some catching up to do...

Ive done all ableton sets before, but unless youre doing crazy edits and pitch shifting, I dont see the point. Id personally rather do it with turntables. It can be super fun to do crazy multi genre mashup sets with ableton, and for a live loop-based performance its really fun and easy (once you get the loops made that is)

ableton is fun.

i love ableton

i love my records of course and can happily have a bash on the decks but im totally confident of my output if playing off ableton

heres two mixes i did on it

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=8U207CL8

Skream - Tapped (Feat JME)
Distance - Night Vision
Plastician - Intensive Snare (Feat Skepta)
Geeneus - Starbuck
Shotz Feat Dogzilla - These Days
King Soly - Tamil Dub
Terrah Danjah - Give It To Em (Feat mz bratt &Bruza)
Wonder - Can't Stand It (Feat Virus Syndicate)
Wonder - It's All (Feat Faction G)
Wiley - Gangsterz
Wiley - Gangsterz (Faction G Freestyle)
luke envoy - Honour Kill
Ebola - Milk Bath
Plastician - Cha (Feat Shizzle, DJ Fresh & NAPA)
Two Lone Swordsmen - Neuflex
Fat Freddy's Drop - Cay's Cray's (Mala Remix)
Si Begg - Buss (Club Mix)
Burial - Archangel
Boxcutter - Sunshine VIP
Loefah - Disko Rekah
Benga - Music Box
Two Lone Swordsmen - The Bunker
Nika D - Felt The Need (MRK1 Vocal Remix)
caspa - Rubber Chicken
Milanese Vs Virus Syndicate - Dead Man Walking (Distance Remix)
Skream - Chest Boxing
Dizzee Rascal - Pussyole (Acapella)
Distance - Traffic
Skream - Rutten
EMALKAY - Bats In The Belfry
Roll Deep - Flame Grilled Whopper
The Bug - Stampin (Feat Flowdan)
Pinch - War Dub
Team Shadetek - Reign (Feat Skepta)
Sileni - Twitchy Droid Leg (Vex'd Remix)
Various Production - Phortune
Darqwan - Ghost Not Memory
Benga & Walsh - Spooksville
The Bug - Skeng (Feat Flowdan)
Rusko - Cockney Thug
Plastician - Japan

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=EFD02YJG

Tunng - Man In The Box
DJ Distance + Crazy D - Worries Again
CJ Bolland - Neural Paradox
Skepta - Doin' It Again
Si Begg - VIP
New Order - Crystal (Lee Coombs Remix)
Milanese - Billy Electron (Venger Remix)
S.I. Futures - Eurostar (Tipper Remix)
Squarepusher - My Red Hot Car
Orbital - The Girl With The Sun In Her Head
October - Dub Junglism
ILS - Loving You (Atomic Hooligan Remix)[/track]
Four Tet - Glue Of The Otherworld
Kansas City Prophets - Roadnoise
Decal - Horrorable
The Others - Flap Jack
Afrika Bambaataa & The Soulsonic Force - Planet Rock (Tipper 21 Sub Patrol Remix)[/track]
British Murder Boys - Hate Is Such A Strong Word
Tipper - Furlong (Buckfunk 3000 Remix)
Plaid - New Family
Grooverider - Where's Jack The Ripper? (Tipper Remix)
Cold Fusion Mafia - Nystagmeus
iTAL tEK - Blood Line
Cursor Miner - Battery Powered Joy
Burial - Exit Wounds
Plaid - You Gave
Boards of Canada - Chinook
Koma + Bones - Get Down (Breakfastaz Remix)
Skream - Summer Dreams
Gwen Stefani - Wind It Up (Exillon's Acid Jungle Remix)
Various Production - The World Is Gone
Kritical Audio - Krupp
The Bug Featuring Killa P & Flowdan
DJ C - Nuttin Attall
Cylob - Sex Machine
Manitoba - If Assholes Could Fly This Place Would Be An Airport
Squarepusher - Dedicated Loop
Milanese Featuring Virus Syndicate - You Can't Remix Electro Too Fresh
Victoria Beckham Featuring TrueSteppers & Dane Bowers - Out Of Your Mind
S.I. Futures - We Are Not A Rock Band (Buckfunk 3000 Remix)
Various Production - Hater
Radioactive Man - Trespasser
Luke Slater - All Exhale (Rude Solo
Balil - Parasight
john hopkins - Nightjar

as far as what you can do with ableton as opposed to turntables: i have been working the decks (3 decks as much as possible) playing techno for 13 years now, and made the decision to use ableton for dubstep/dubstep & techno hybrids because it expands on a) what tunes i can use (you can't beatmatch 130 bpm techno with 140 bpm dubstep on decks, but i sure can with ableton), b) the creative license it gives me (efx, looping, sampling bits from tunes, massive eq cuts), c) the ability to do rearrangements of tunes on the fly, d) playing more tunes and more layers of tunes to allow for texturing and sound exploration, and e) damn it's lighter than my record box!

i started using ableton because i wanted more control over how the music was being played and more control over sound sculpturing. coming from techno, where layering and texture are a huge part of the mix, it just made sense to me to have more options.

truthfully, i am throroughly enjoying myself in the process. i have to prepare all my tunes, which means by the end of that process, i know my tunes inside out. i get to really dig into the songs and the composition and play with it much more than i could with turntables. and i have a lot of fun tweaking sounds!

i use my midi controller (uc 33) like a mixing board and just wack upfaders around all day. it's fun!

for examples, do a quick search for "shiva" in the mixes section of the forum or peep my latest studio mix (techno/dubstep hybrid, live mixed, no prearrangement).

Badga Tek wrote:Best mix I know of done on Ableton has to be Grievous Angel's Dubstep Sufferah Vol. 3

No argument there.


I did this studio mix entirely in ableton back in november:


Mecha - Pension Plan Vol. 2 - Peak Latency


Tracklist:
01. Blackdown - Crackle Blues (Burial Remix)
02. Mala - Forgive
03. Vaccine - Atrium
04. Plastician - Walk in the Carpark
05. Ochre - Beneath Fleeting Visions
06. Distance - Delight
07. Distance - Traffic
08. Scuba - Twista
09. Amp Fiddler - If I Don't (Scuba Dub Remix)
10. Geiom - Auxology
11. Benga - Evolution
12. 2562 vs Sisqo - A Made Up Song
13. The Bug - Red Version
14. Edgey - Cohesion
15. Armour - Iron Man
16. Eskmo vs The Antiserum - Monstahs
17. Orbital vs Emalkay - Mechanoreceptacle
18. Omen - Aphrodite
19. Marlow - Machine
20. Skynet - Swamp (Pinch Remix)
21. Black Ghosts - Some Way Through This (Skream and Plastician Remix)
22. Loefah - Root
23. N-Type - Blind Fury
24. Luke.Envoy - Gamma
25. Various Production - The World is Gone
26. Burial - In McDonalds
27. Burial - Archangel
28. Distance - Temptation
29. The Others - Bushido (Caspa Remix)
30. Pinch - One Blood, One Source ft. Rudey Lee

Plastician - Walk in the Carpark = deepness

spooKs wrote:Plastician - Walk in the Carpark = deepness

no doubt

Westernsynthetics Live @ Void 071207

Westernsynthetics - Live @ Void 071207

Westernsynthetics - Saturday
Flippo - Techno Ghosts (Westernsynthetics remix)
Westernsynthetics & JD Bigfoot - Burnin' Remould
Westernsynthetics - Climate Capital
Westernsynthetics - Melbourne Shuffle
Westernsynthetics - America
Westernsynthetics - 5 Minutes of Sedition
Westernsynthetics - Revolution!
>>>The Clash - Rock The Kasbah
Westernsynthetics - Swing Dub
Moyza - Pest Control
Salmonella Dub - Love Sunshine & Happiness (D.L.I remix)
Westernsynthetics - Jah Victory

westernsynthetics.net
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^^^this a live set i did in ableton at a gig in Sydney (Australia) recently. Live rocks!

correct me if i am wrong but i'm pretty sure that Vex'd use live, and too be perfectly honest i think they have the freshest sound around at the moment. been using live alot really, the rewire function with reason4 is bashy,

Piston wrote:
heres two mixes i did on it

nice selection mate!
will give these a D/L for sure
second mix, choice tunes