Availability of releases in digital format

upreal · Post by **upreal** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 10:12 pm

Hello there,
I've been trying to figure out how much of the dubstep stuff gets released on vinyls only, in digital format only and in both ways. Obviously it's much harder to get something released as a vinyl but I'm also positive there are vinyl only songs out there as well. I came to the conclusion that I will need the almighty forum on this one.
Percentage wise, which format has the upper hand and what do you lot think about it? Have you had any bad / good experience with different formats?

dj vk - snakebite ent. · Post by **dj vk - snakebite ent.** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 10:20 pm

I mix using Serato and thus only purchase MP3 files (bar the odd vinyl which i really 'need' that doesn't get released digitally).

Obviously there are less digital releases but i don't actually know the reason for this. Surely it wouldn't be that difficult releasing a track as a digital download?

upreal · Post by **upreal** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 1:46 pm

yea, I kind of don't really get it. I'm sure I'll get much hatred from the vinyl lovers but imo it would be great if every vinyl release got a digital release as well so that people can move on to cds/serato/whatever completly.

manray · Post by **manray** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 2:51 pm

If it's not going to get a dedicated MP3 release then at least the VINYL purchase should include then mp3.

I'm looking to include a code in each vinyl which will get you a free high quality download of what you just bought. I know alot of guys wont be feeling to spend £5-6 just to get the download but consider most MP3's cost round £1.99 each so its not much more at £2.50/£3 per side.

bob crunkhouse · Post by **bob crunkhouse** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 2:56 pm

manray wrote:If it's not going to get a dedicated MP3 release then at least the VINYL purchase should include then mp3.

I'm looking to include a code in each vinyl which will get you a free high quality download of what you just bought. I know alot of guys wont be feeling to spend £5-6 just to get the download but consider most MP3's cost round £1.99 each so its not much more at £2.50/£3 per side.

well they normally cost around a pound each. I think thats a fair price, i wouldnt be happy spending 1.99 on one mp3.

This subjects has been on here laods and loads, no ones really got an answer for why people like DMZ dont do any kind of digital releases, i dont think they care if people download or torrent it really. The only explanation.

djprojekts · Post by **djprojekts** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 3:15 pm

Ive seen some mp3 download sites which give you the option of quality ie for 99p you get 192kbps, 1.50 you get 320kbps and for 1.99 you get the wav. format which is a good idea for people on budgets and people who like quality

jim · Post by **jim** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 3:20 pm

Bob Crunkhouse wrote:
manray wrote:If it's not going to get a dedicated MP3 release then at least the VINYL purchase should include then mp3.

I'm looking to include a code in each vinyl which will get you a free high quality download of what you just bought. I know alot of guys wont be feeling to spend £5-6 just to get the download but consider most MP3's cost round £1.99 each so its not much more at £2.50/£3 per side.
well they normally cost around a pound each. I think thats a fair price, i wouldnt be happy spending 1.99 on one mp3.

This subjects has been on here laods and loads, no ones really got an answer for why people like DMZ dont do any kind of digital releases, i dont think they care if people download or torrent it really. The only explanation.

Because digital release is some bullshit. Anyone who pays for electrons is a mug.

bob crunkhouse · Post by **bob crunkhouse** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 3:23 pm

jim wrote:
Bob Crunkhouse wrote:
manray wrote:If it's not going to get a dedicated MP3 release then at least the VINYL purchase should include then mp3.

I'm looking to include a code in each vinyl which will get you a free high quality download of what you just bought. I know alot of guys wont be feeling to spend £5-6 just to get the download but consider most MP3's cost round £1.99 each so its not much more at £2.50/£3 per side.
well they normally cost around a pound each. I think thats a fair price, i wouldnt be happy spending 1.99 on one mp3.

This subjects has been on here laods and loads, no ones really got an answer for why people like DMZ dont do any kind of digital releases, i dont think they care if people download or torrent it really. The only explanation.
Because digital release is some bullshit. Anyone who pays for electrons is a mug.

Its the only format along with vinyl thats gonna survive.

I find it amazing that people are happy to spend £10 on a piece of fucking plastic and foil, yet wont support the artists they love by buying a download, u can burn it to a cd if you want after!

djprojekts · Post by **djprojekts** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 3:29 pm

Bob Crunkhouse wrote:
jim wrote:
Bob Crunkhouse wrote:
manray wrote:If it's not going to get a dedicated MP3 release then at least the VINYL purchase should include then mp3.

I'm looking to include a code in each vinyl which will get you a free high quality download of what you just bought. I know alot of guys wont be feeling to spend £5-6 just to get the download but consider most MP3's cost round £1.99 each so its not much more at £2.50/£3 per side.
well they normally cost around a pound each. I think thats a fair price, i wouldnt be happy spending 1.99 on one mp3.

This subjects has been on here laods and loads, no ones really got an answer for why people like DMZ dont do any kind of digital releases, i dont think they care if people download or torrent it really. The only explanation.
Because digital release is some bullshit. Anyone who pays for electrons is a mug.
Its the only format along with vinyl thats gonna survive.

I find it amazing that people are happy to spend £10 on a piece of fucking plastic and foil, yet wont support the artists they love by buying a download, u can burn it to a cd if you want after!

You cant get every tune on vinyl anyways thats why people do mp3s nowwa days, i buy mp3s just to support the scene and artists that make them, if i made tunes id like people to buy them in any format!

SUPPORT THE SCENE its the only way its going to get bigger!

BaronVon · Post by **BaronVon** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 3:40 pm

jim wrote: Because digital release is some bullshit. Anyone who pays for electrons is a mug.

Your talking rubbish.
Electrons

Embrace the future.

jim · Post by **jim** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 3:46 pm

I've embraced the future fine, old man. I'm just cognisant of the very precarious nature of digital storage vis-à-vis more traditional storage methods.

BaronVon · Post by **BaronVon** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 3:49 pm

jim wrote:I've embraced the future fine, old man. I'm just cognisant of the very precarious nature of digital storage vis-à-vis more traditional storage methods.

Fair enough but as long as you have respect for your computer and backup files i don't see what the problem is.
So you are either a mug or you don't pay for your mp3's? seeing as you have embraced the future.

jim · Post by **jim** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 3:51 pm

Buy records and download out of print and hard to find stuff.

metalboxproducts · Post by **metalboxproducts** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 3:51 pm

try the link at the bottom of my sig

djprojekts · Post by **djprojekts** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 3:53 pm

jim wrote:Buy records and download out of print and hard to find stuff.

Good way to put it i suppose! Especially when a tune you want doesnt get a release on vinyl.

manray · Post by **manray** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 3:55 pm

You want to pay 99p for a track?

That is some jokes. After expenses that probably leaves 5p for the artist. Yeah supporting the scene you are not.

djprojekts · Post by **djprojekts** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 4:01 pm

manray wrote:You want to pay 99p for a track?

That is some jokes. After expenses that probably leaves 5p for the artist. Yeah supporting the scene you are not.

Have you heard the Tesco advert 'Every Little Helps' ??

citizensnipz · Post by **citizensnipz** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 4:09 pm

manray wrote:If it's not going to get a dedicated MP3 release then at least the VINYL purchase should include then mp3.

I'm looking to include a code in each vinyl which will get you a free high quality download of what you just bought. I know alot of guys wont be feeling to spend £5-6 just to get the download but consider most MP3's cost round £1.99 each so its not much more at £2.50/£3 per side.

I was considering doing something like that once (and also something similar whereby those who buy the tunes also get free beats & bass samples to use in production etc)

However I could not figure out a best way to implement it without said codes ending up on the net and people taking the piss with it

It could kinda work if you to put an individual code in each vinyl (although there'd be nothing stopping someone finding that code on the vinyl in a record shop, writing it down, not actually buying the vinyl and then getting the tune for free when they get home)

Only way I could see it working is if you were to sell the vinyls direct from your own site yourself and send a link for a free download to everyone who purchases them

citizensnipz · Post by **citizensnipz** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 4:35 pm

DJ VK - SNAKEBITE ENT. wrote:I mix using Serato and thus only purchase MP3 files (bar the odd vinyl which i really 'need' that doesn't get released digitally).

Obviously there are less digital releases but i don't actually know the reason for this. Surely it wouldn't be that difficult releasing a track as a digital download?

It's a billion times easier (and cheaper) to release a track as a digital download ...but then that makes it a billion times easier to end up on the net to be downloaded for free.

Let's face it, when Napster & Audiogalaxy were around 8 years ago, many people got used to the idea of downloading digital music files for free (after all there was no real legal alternative at the time)

Unfortunately for producers & labels, at a lot of people have still stuck with this mentality of getting music for free (after all, nothing on the net is THAT hard to find if you really want it)

This has led to many independent/underground releases struggling to sell half as much units as they would their physical product...therefore this makes other artists & labels feel disheartened and feel like it's not worth the effort of releasing it digitally.

Another factor is that most producers don't want vinyl to die - ever! It's the preferred medium for bass heavy music on club sound systems and CDs/digital files simply aren't capable of the same type of warm, rounded sound (it could get close to it one day through various filters and plugins, but it's not quite there yet)

The fear is that if everything is made available digitally, with DJing tools like Serato etc nowadays, why would people continue buying vinyl? And if everyone stops buying vinyl completely and everyone DJs with digital files, then well......record shops will have to close (and they're a big part of the culture of the music) and bass heavy music probably won't sound "as phat" in clubs anymore.

On the other hand, I can understand the need for digital downloads (especially if you don't own decks and want to buy the music) - not everyone is or wants to be a DJ after all...

It's a hard one really. I respect those who continue to cut dubplates, release vinyl and play vinyl to keep the culture & sound alive, but at the same time I also like to listen to MP3s in my MP3 player when I'm travelling...

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