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'real' instruments.
Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 9:25 pm
by legend4ry
So for a long while now I have been searching for a/some VST(s) what produce life-like sounds of instruments.. like Guitars, Piano, brass, string, blah blah blah so on and so on.
Free or not, can anyone recommend some!? I got Orchestra off a mate to play about with and I find everything but the strings are pretty poorly done! Also the free Sax vst (DVS SAXOPHONE) is pretty nice but I am looking for something (if there is any) what has at least one of each kind ( like a good selection of Brass or strings).
Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 9:35 pm
by tempest
Unfortunately, nothing will really sound like the real thing in my opinion. Don't get me wrong I don't mind synths that emulate horns and strings, but I don't expect them to sound like the real thing.
Just gotta do some sampling I think. Or learn and record yourself, which would be even better
Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 9:47 pm
by legend4ry
Sounds fair enough.
It is quite tiresome trolling through endless FTPs and sample websites trying to find something what -could- work. Personally I hardly fine samples what work for me how I would want them to. Maybe I am just a bit hard to please!?
Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 9:51 pm
by clubroot
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Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 9:55 pm
by tempest
Legendary wrote:Sounds fair enough.
It is quite tiresome trolling through endless FTPs and sample websites trying to find something what -could- work. Personally I hardly fine samples what work for me how I would want them to. Maybe I am just a bit hard to please!?
Yeah lots of the times samples won't work how you evision it, but personally I find shoe-horning them into tracks can be quite fun and challenging and sometimes comes up with something really absract and original that you would have never thought of if it was just you, your vst and keyboard.
And i'd suggest rather than downloading samples from the web (which can be good), just go hit up the 5 dollar cheapo CD bins at the local music shops... Grab anything that looks like it has interesting instrumentation. I've found lots of gems this way, and still have heaps of CD's to go through. It's a bit more time consuming, but I find it pretty fun, and hugely rewarding that you have a sample that isn't downloaded by every two bit producer
Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 10:02 pm
by legend4ry
dmrichmond wrote:I've had a similar problem myself. Sampling is good as an alternative but obviously emulating a particular sound such as a trumpet or violin is always gonna be a struggle especially when you have such a specific sound in mind. I've found a few hefty VST's that are on the macs at Uni, Sample Tank being the most impressive although you could argue weather its a sampler / synth (with a bit fiddling the string, piano and brass sounds can sound lush). Here's a free download version with limited sounds and functions. (Not too sure how good this free version is so don't count on it)
http://www.kvraudio.com/get/141.html
Also had a play on Linplugs Saxlab. It doesn't have the variety of instruments you're looking for but does have some impressive sax sounds and some lush flute presets. What production software are you running?
Ive heard about sample tank, my mate raves about it, said its what he draws for first when making a track so I guess I'll check it out!
I'm running FL7 rewired into Reason4, though sometimes I just use FL or Reason.
@ Tempest, yeah I guess I should just try and found something more challenging then just a 8 bar sample of a couple of strings.
Thanks for the tips, both of ya.
Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 11:42 pm
by cryptic
ewql symphonic orchestra is you mate.
its pricy but worth it.
http://www.eastwestsamples.com/details.php?cd_index=797
Some good banks there.
check the demos
Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 11:53 pm
by legend4ry
Wows
Its absolutely amazing but 2grand isn't really a nice price for a student!
Best start saving eh?
Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 12:08 am
by sikey
you can get by with Sampletank, Reason Orchestral Soundbank and as mentioned EWQL Symphonic stuff.
I actually prefer the syntheticity of the aforementioned over live played instruments. Unless we're talking about dirty samples, that is.
Live stuff is so stale most of the times (cfr the horrendous St Germain albums post-boulevard or the Dkay live dnb album, but hey that's one man's opinion)
Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 12:17 am
by legend4ry
That demo of sampletank has no banks in it so I guess i'll rob it off my mate.
Thanks for the help anyways!
Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 12:35 am
by FSTZ
there is a program called "orchestral" by edirol
dont know if they still sell it, but it's pretty cool and sounds like real instruments
Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 12:35 am
by slothrop
Garritan's instrumental libraries are supposed to be pretty good, and are a bit less pricey.
This sort of thing's always going to be fairly expensive, though - producing a complete set of high quality multisamples of every instrument in an orchestra played in every way someone might want to play it isn't cheap...
Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 12:42 am
by r
dusty records are the key.. you even get lots of other sounds that are in your sampled stuff.. Lovely !
Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 2:42 am
by thump rat
Z3ta is a great synth and i've made patches that sound like raw, authentic clavinets and rhodes... infact if you check lounge dub on my myspace that has my clavinet patch in it.
To be honest though, your best bet is sampling or recording.
Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 5:35 am
by thesynthesist
KONTAKT 3.
'Nuff Said.
Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 9:22 am
by shonky
http://theremin.music.uiowa.edu/MIS.html
Requires some chopping and layering but these are good quality sounds in all octaves at various velocities.
It's also worth listening to players of the various instruments and observe the phrasing of their melodies. If you can start thinking like the player of the instrument, you're more likely to create convincing parts (if realism is what you're after)
Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 9:59 am
by legend4ry
Cheers shonx 'ad a look through quite a few of those, quite rich sounds will have a mess about with them.
Also I found this early hours this morning
http://youtube.com/watch?v=57hqPPKxsyY
Blew my mind away tbh
AT 355 a pop though, well outta my price range.
Bare off topic but this is mind blowing too
http://youtube.com/watch?v=zLVPTxN9-Sk