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always mention the same names (yeah you know who) but never call out Hatcha, Benga, Coki, Distance, Rossi B & Luca, Stenchman, MRK1, etc etc etc, all of whom play at the tougher end of the dubstep spectrum at least as much as they go deep, and all of whom definitely play some serious wobbling basslines loads of the time?

Just a thought... If you REALLY hate wobble, shouldn't you be slating all these DJ/producers too?

imo most people who in general hate wobble are the same people who think theyre part of something bigger than just a musical genre, wore "junglist movement" t shirts before they started getting into dubstep, wont admit that burial actually has some pretty shite tunes out and probably say things like "I cant believe i didnt get into the last FWD, i mean i've been listening to dubstep since day 1 and there were some people in the queue who have only just started listening to it, i should have been given priority".

I've said it once and i'll say it again, as much as i love it: its just another type of dance music! Thats something a lot of people dont seem to understand!

jackieboi wrote: wont admit that burial actually has some pretty shite tunes out

LIES! BAN HIM!

Artists aside, Some (not all, just some) people like to be seen to have more high brow tastes, because Wobble based tracks have obvious, accessible hooks and therefore apparently not high brow enough for the listener to go deeper to find something less accessible that they can like about it themselves.

It's the comedy equivalent of The Benny hill show vs QI with Stephen Fry. they will watch it but if somebody else is around they won't put it on. Some on the other hand don't give a damn, and go with what they want others go out of their way to tell people about there distaste with a certain something, i'd be weary of these people. there are some genuine music lovers out there really though, i'm sure of it.

Everyone know wobble is SICK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

spencerTron wrote:Artists aside, Some (not all, just some) people like to be seen to have more high brow tastes, because Wobble based tracks have obvious, accessible hooks and therefore apparently not high brow enough for the listener to go deeper to find something less accessible that they can like about it themselves.

It's the comedy equivalent of The Benny hill show vs QI with Stephen Fry. they will watch it but if somebody else is around they won't put it on. Some on the other hand don't give a damn, and go with what they want others go out of their way to tell people about there distaste with a certain something, i'd be weary of these people. there are some genuine music lovers out there really though, i'm sure of it.

I like where you're coming from. But to extend the comedy metaphor, wobble needn't be Benny Hill - it could be Jackass... or even South Park. Unsubtle on the surface but full of unexpected twists and sweet bouncing baby jesus but it grabs you by the underparts and won't let go.

Joe Muggs wrote:Just a thought... If you REALLY hate wobble, shouldn't you be slating all these DJ/producers too?

I think "people who hate wobble" is a bit of a straw man, really. I mean, a lot of people would say that Blackdown "hates wobble", but iirc he pretty much named Pinch's One Blood One Source (which features a wobble) as his tune of the year last year.

I think what more people don't like is a tendancy towards whole nights where pretty much everything you hear is the same brand of aggressive, mechanical, tearout wobble tunes with a fairly narrow range of sounds, and the fact that for a lot of people that's all they'll get to hear of dubstep unless they really start digging deep, so people coming across the sound at random who don't like that style might just decide that dubstep isn't for them.

And allow the assumptions about why people do or do not like given sounds - I'm not into some superiority game when I say I'd rather hear a bunch of Mala and Kode 9 tunes than a bunch of Caspa and Unitz tunes, it's actually that I enjoy them more. Sorry.

spencerTron wrote:Artists aside, Some (not all, just some) people like to be seen to have more high brow tastes, because Wobble based tracks have obvious, accessible hooks and therefore apparently not high brow enough for the listener to go deeper to find something less accessible that they can like about it themselves.

very true.

I will speak, first, as a producer and, second, only for me ( perhaps some people on this forum share the same views ).

" Wobble ", for me, is limiting. I will admit that I had fun, for a moment, making wobble tunes. But I stopped rather quickly, realizing I had to go beyond that phase... that I had to move Forward. I felt I was stagnating. For me, one obvious way out of the " wobble methodology ", if I may call it that, was to explore the " Valve methodology ", and convolution technology, among other things. The most important thing for me is exploring new avenues, even if, ultimately, they prove to be dead ends. Finding new ways of expressing whatever I feel I have to express through music.

String wrote:

jackieboi wrote: wont admit that burial actually has some pretty shite tunes out

LIES! BAN HIM!

Even his poo is amazing.

Joe Muggs wrote:always mention the same names (yeah you know who) but never call out Hatcha, Benga, Coki, Distance, Rossi B & Luca, Stenchman, MRK1, etc etc etc, all of whom play at the tougher end of the dubstep spectrum at least as much as they go deep, and all of whom definitely play some serious wobbling basslines loads of the time?

Just a thought... If you REALLY hate wobble, shouldn't you be slating all these DJ/producers too?

I don't think people who say they hate wobble mean it quite that literally (well, I know ive said it before, and I certainly don't). For me saying you hate wobble is almost a shorthand way of saying (without naming any names) that you hate these tunes which try and "destroy the dancefloor" or whatever through funny noises and an understanding of the synths used, as opposed to something alot more musical. I also would lump together the general "I hate wobble" statements as only being directed at the tunes where it relies on wobble and nothing else. I suppose One blood, one source is a perfect example of something I would never class a "wobble" tune. It has SO much more going on in there that the wobble gets lost. The tune doesn't rely on the wobble (or whatever) to make you move. The actual beat itself is inherently banging to me (almost an unfair exmple though, as to me there aren't many people who can touch pinch in a rhythm-off!) aswell as the actual progression/arrangement of the track itself.

The whole "high brow" thing comes into it when you have on one hand a tune by someone that goes 16 bar intro, 8 bar breakdown, 32 bar first drop, 16 bar breakdown, 32 bar second drop. Within which is a beat that lends nothing to the tune other than the bare necessities. Then you will have a tune by someone else which in all honesty you might struggle to even determine how it builds up/progresses, but does so in its own unique "all the right times" way, aswell as having a beat that possibly on first listen you don't expect to make you move, but pretty soon you find the groove and its game over . Then you have the fact that the former tune may very well get released instantly, be smashed at every night you go to and heralded both within and outside dubstep as a piece of genius, combined with the latter tune quite possibly never making it past dubplate and getting no plays at nights due to its tendency to make some people wander off. I think its understandable why people might then get a bit annoyed at this side of things.

Hmm, just read that through but its early, and I dont think that made much sence. Summary follows:

1) I think what people cuss as "Wobble" covers a whole host of elements of production where what could be seen as the "easy option" is taken by the producer. And from what I see, a large proportion of tunes relying on an obvious wobble are seriously lacking in lots of other areas. Namely the creation of an interesting beat, or the art of building/creating tension with something other than a breakdown -> drop.

2) The tunes which do come under whatever it is I seem to be trying to rebrand "wobble" then seem to take over. With releases/nights HEAVILY over playing that end of the spectrum (imo). Which I think can understandably get on peoples nerves.

I think there might have been some more points in there but I can barely understand what I wrote...its too early Hoping people might get the jist of what I was trying to say though

I think "people who hate wobble" is a bit of a straw man, really. I mean, a lot of people would say that Blackdown "hates wobble", but iirc he pretty much named Pinch's One Blood One Source (which features a wobble) as his tune of the year last year.

there's a world of difference between a pinch-style wobble and (for instance) a rusko-style one though isn't there? Not to say one's necessarily better or 'deeper' than the other, but they're completely different sounds.

I think this 'seen to have highbrow tastes' nonsense is well wide of the mark though; isn't it conceivable that not everyone wants to hear massive, mid & high range-heavy tearout basslines all the time?

Doesn't matter how you cut the mustard Dubstep is largely made up of b-lines with filter cutoff to lfo and that my friends is wobble. Some are straight up juno/square wave monsters with pitch envelope and others are more about the sines/subs.

isn't the problem that the whole wobble thing has been done quite alot now, i mean take a tune like Blipstream if it was made now surely it wouldnt be half as popular as it was when it first came out. But to be fair as long as producers keep experimenting with it rather than going for the quick lfo-100%>quick beat>track done it will be ok. But i don't think the whole generic wobble has a place in dubstep today.

Although wobbles by coki, benga , skream are still usually sick!!!!!

The word 'wobble' to me conjures up an image of someone in their bedroom studio getting amongst reason sound-packs and conjuring up a budget sounding skreamizm.

Name some tunes that you consider to be 'wobble', i think we all have different ideas as to what this term means.

-Dubson- wrote:
Although wobbles by coki, benga , skream are still usually sick!!!!!

So people who make wobble tunes that havent been as well known for as long as the big names have make shit wobble tunes

people like what they like, but dubstep should be somewhat "emotional" one way or the other, for me at least. even if that emotion is "i hate speakers im going to kill them"

it just shouldnt be poser shit, and should come from the heart. bottom line.

has nothing to do with "wobble".

The Wiggle Baron wrote:
For me saying you hate wobble is almost a shorthand way of saying (without naming any names) that you hate these tunes which try and "destroy the dancefloor" or whatever through funny noises and an understanding of the synths used, as opposed to something alot more musical.

So "musical" elements - by which I'm guessing that means melodics and harmonics - are by nature superior to something that is more about rhythm and sculpting with sound?

I don't know about you, but I love Acid House. I love records that are just an 808 and a 303. There is something about the way that sound warps in just the right way that gets me every time. Now there have been a SHITLOAD of terrible supposed acid tunes since the sound was invented 22-odd years ago - but there are also people making killer proper acid to this day. The formula - and it is a formula, and it's a formula based purely on synth modulation and FX - still works after all this time despite all the musical crimes that have been committed in the pursuit of it.

There has been great "musical" house made too. Carl Craig, Theo Parrish, Blaze, whatever. All fine, but is proper acid worse than them just because it is "only" about synth modulation? Nah!

I made a wobble tune over the past few days although I mostly instinctively stayed away from that sound. http://www.myspace.com/thebromyspace


Wobble or not, I think most people listening to dubstep who post here are pretty obsessive about it and therefore saturation point is reached a lot earlier than just say casual listeners.

some people make wobble

and some people make wobble right