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The "for the public good" possee (last seen banning smoking in public places) are on your ass!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/berk ... 297600.stm

I wonder what actually constitutes "violent" porn.

Sex in itself is a rather "violent" act*







*if you're doing it right

DJ Whistla wrote:The "for the public good" possee (last seen banning smoking in public places) are on your ass!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/berk ... 297600.stm

Yes because we know how succesful banning something is in getting rid of it.
Exhibit A:
-War on Drugs-

RickyRicardo wrote:I wonder what actually constitutes "violent" porn.

Sex in itself is a rather "violent" act*







*if you're doing it right

selector.dub.u wrote:

DJ Whistla wrote:The "for the public good" possee (last seen banning smoking in public places) are on your ass!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/berk ... 297600.stm

Yes because we know how succesful banning something is in getting rid of it.
Exhibit A:
-War on Drugs-

b - prohibiton

You cant deny the intrinsic immorality of it though, whether you discount as the nanny state or not.

Jubscarz wrote:You cant deny the intrinsic immorality of it though, whether you discount as the nanny state or not.

yeah true.

so the porn made him do it, eh?
bullshit
there's probably tons of people that watched the same videos.
this is just the same as people saying the Columbine kids did what they did because they played violent video games and listened to Marilyn Manson.

the anti personal repsonsibly facists strike again.
*sigh*

Jubscarz wrote:You cant deny the intrinsic immorality of it though, whether you discount as the nanny state or not.

boo this man!! wait, are you talkin bout "violent" porn, or just porn in general?

i actually agree with you, but you cant say that on the internet, man. you just can't!!

plus, the rationale for this "legislation" is so blatantly retarded. might as well ban the news, tv and mass media as a whole.

no matter how fucked up i perceive the impacts of the internet on society, im of the camp that you cant blame technology for what people do with it. people are gonna strangle-fuck others (sometimes themselves - RIP Michael Hutchence) regardless of whether or not they got porno showing em how fun it can be.

either way, the more laws there are, the more freedoms we lose.

i do draw the line at kiddie porn, though, that shit is messed UP!!!

people are gonna strangle-fuck others (sometimes themselves - RIP Michael Hutchence) regardless of whether or not they got porno showing em how fun it can be.

People are gonna do it anyway so we should just leave it be with the potential that it will encourage more people to do so? I dont think thats a good idea. Does this also apply to racism for example? I mean certain people will always be racist, shall we just leave them and their racist media alone? After all its always going to be there so whats the point?

Jubscarz wrote:

people are gonna strangle-fuck others (sometimes themselves - RIP Michael Hutchence) regardless of whether or not they got porno showing em how fun it can be.

People are gonna do it anyway so we should just leave it be with the potential that it will encourage more people to do so? I dont think thats a good idea. Does this also apply to racism for example? I mean certain people will always be racist, shall we just leave them and their racist media alone? After all its always going to be there so whats the point?

(where's the tongue-in-cheek emoticon?)
yes.
sure.
fuck yeah!! kill em all and let god sort em out. jesus would support free speech even if it was talkin bout killin jews...wouldnt he?
no point whatsoever. just like my posts.

seriously, though, you can't just start imposing your moral beliefs on others. thats when people get pissed and start crashin jets into buildings.

Jubscarz wrote:People are gonna do it anyway so we should just leave it be with the potential that it will encourage more people to do so? I dont think thats a good idea. Does this also apply to racism for example? I mean certain people will always be racist, shall we just leave them and their racist media alone? After all its always going to be there so whats the point?

I say yes too.
I believe in free speech of all kinds, including hate speech. Making these things illegal doesnt stop them. It just forces them to be more secretive about it which I think is more dangerous.

thc wrote:

Jubscarz wrote:People are gonna do it anyway so we should just leave it be with the potential that it will encourage more people to do so? I dont think thats a good idea. Does this also apply to racism for example? I mean certain people will always be racist, shall we just leave them and their racist media alone? After all its always going to be there so whats the point?

I say yes too.
I believe in free speech of all kinds, including hate speech. Making these things illegal doesnt stop them. It just forces them to be more secretive about it which I think is more dangerous.

I agree, I dont think banning will have its intended affect. But the moral arguments for banning it are many. I definitely think that the REASON they are banning it is almost arbritrary and does not get to the root of what are essentially mental health problems within the people that enjoy such deviancy.

dopedragon wrote: fuck yeah!! kill em all and let god sort em out. jesus would support free speech even if it was talkin bout killin jews...wouldnt he?
no point whatsoever. just like my posts.

seriously, though, you can't just start imposing your moral beliefs on others. thats when people get pissed and start crashin jets into buildings.

It is impossible to not impose your moral beliefs on others, the political system we live in is based on thousands of years of thought all based on the concept of what is 'right' and 'wrong'.

Jubscarz wrote:

thc wrote:

Jubscarz wrote:People are gonna do it anyway so we should just leave it be with the potential that it will encourage more people to do so? I dont think thats a good idea. Does this also apply to racism for example? I mean certain people will always be racist, shall we just leave them and their racist media alone? After all its always going to be there so whats the point?

I say yes too.
I believe in free speech of all kinds, including hate speech. Making these things illegal doesnt stop them. It just forces them to be more secretive about it which I think is more dangerous.

I agree, I dont think banning will have its intended affect. But the moral arguments for banning it are many. I definitely think that the REASON they are banning it is almost arbritrary and does not get to the root of what are essentially mental health problems within the people that enjoy such deviancy.

i concur. i find the stuff quite despicable but don't believe in prohibition. people with a healthy well balanced mind don't obsess over and fantasize about what equates to abuse which can result in heinous crimes being perpetrated.

the UK's mental health services provision is more of an embarrassment than any other aspect of the nhs.

Still trying to make my mind up about this.

Exhibit C:

Piracy

if you didn't already know about myfreepaysite.com then you do now.
pussytorrents is a good one for torrents. Its purely ratio based... so downloads absolutely fly! 200 plus some download speeds.

As someone that lives in the same town as the twisted asshole that did this and his victim, and bearing in mind that generally I'm pretty liberal about most issues, I think that porn that portrays rape and torture as an entertainment probably serves no purpose other than to give jollies to inadequate misogynists and maybe serve as a trigger to those that might want to take it a bit further.

I'm sorry, but I really don't see free speech as being an issue on this one. The trouble with the internet is that the more extreme porn bordering on the illegal is far too easily available to those that want to look for it. Could you get someone who was into this shit put their point of view in a debate without sounding like an asshole for instance.

Porn in general is essentially exhibitionists playing to voyeurs so essentially harmless if somewhat exploitative to both parties. I remember seeing a Channel 4 documentary on this a while ago where a guy working in the industry was saying that they sold more of the rape tapes so that was the direction they were taking but that seems to be the lowest way to earn a dollar to my mind.

Seeing as hardly anyone is prosecuted for piracy or already illegal forms of pornography it seems pretty unpoliceable though.