Busses & Sends?

philter · Post by **philter** » Wed Jan 21, 2009 5:49 pm

I kind of know what they are and all that jazz. BUT, call me an idiot, im a bit confused with busses and all that in ableton, theres these return channels but not amazingly sure what im doing (im new to most of this, and ableton)

any suggestions, tips, help or what ever takes your fancy?

thanks lol =D

caeraphym · Post by **caeraphym** » Wed Jan 21, 2009 5:54 pm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buses_and_Sends/

Sorry, couldn't resist

FSTZ1 · Post by **FSTZ1** » Wed Jan 21, 2009 5:56 pm

"the bus takes the sound to school"

philter · Post by **philter** » Wed Jan 21, 2009 5:59 pm

anyone who wants to be helpful?

james fox · Post by **james fox** » Wed Jan 21, 2009 6:07 pm

buses are group channels, generally you would route similar sounds together then process them with the same fx to make them gel. for example drums, you would create a new audio track then send all your drums to it, then add a compressor and some EQ and overdrive or whatever on the grouped sounds.

sends + returns are a way of adding the same effect to several sounds. a common use is putting a reverb on a return track and then adjusting the send on a few individual sounds, like say snare drum / some fx / vocal, whatever. saves processor power and ties the mix together. you will need to have the reverb set to 100pc wet if you do this.

dj vision · Post by **dj vision** » Wed Jan 21, 2009 6:08 pm

well, you use a bus or a send to route multiple channels through another one, it has different purposes, such as side chaining, in which one channels dynamics effect anothers velocity in order to make it duck out when its triggered. Another way i like to use routing is in layered leads, to add compression to them all, and for my drums i am growing fond of routing all my drum tracks through a channel that applies a general reverb and compression to them all, and kind of makes them all stick together

philter · Post by **philter** » Wed Jan 21, 2009 6:11 pm

james fox wrote:buses are group channels, generally you would route similar sounds together then process them with the same fx to make them gel. for example drums, you would create a new audio track then send all your drums to it, then add a compressor and some EQ and overdrive or whatever on the grouped sounds.

sends + returns are a way of adding the same effect to several sounds. a common use is putting a reverb on a return track and then adjusting the send on a few individual sounds, like say snare drum / some fx / vocal, whatever. saves processor power and ties the mix together. you will need to have the reverb set to 100pc wet if you do this.

Thank you very much!

philter · Post by **philter** » Wed Jan 21, 2009 6:11 pm

DJ Vision wrote:well, you use a bus or a send to route multiple channels through another one, it has different purposes, such as side chaining, in which one channels dynamics effect anothers velocity in order to make it duck out when its triggered. Another way i like to use routing is in layered leads, to add compression to them all, and for my drums i am growing fond of routing all my drum tracks through a channel that applies a general reverb and compression to them all, and kind of makes them all stick together

cheers man, will try out soem stuff tonight

Disco Nutter · Post by **Disco Nutter** » Wed Jan 21, 2009 6:34 pm

There are already 2 big topics with lots of useful information about this.

FSTZ1 · Post by **FSTZ1** » Wed Jan 21, 2009 6:35 pm

my response was very helpful

philter · Post by **philter** » Wed Jan 21, 2009 6:42 pm

Johnny Beat wrote:There are already 2 big topics with lots of useful information about this.

true, but the on the 2 i found, one was on logic, and the other didnt say anything about ableton as far as i read, and im kinda new so i wanted to find an answer specificly for ableton, which is the reason why i asked.

caeraphym · Post by **caeraphym** » Wed Jan 21, 2009 6:47 pm

FSTZ wrote:my response was very helpful

Pfft, mine was far superior, even had a bit about routemasters in there.

caterkilla · Post by **caterkilla** » Wed Jan 21, 2009 6:51 pm

does flstudio only have sends? or does it have bus channels too?

dj vision · Post by **dj vision** » Wed Jan 21, 2009 7:12 pm

caterkilla wrote:does flstudio only have sends? or does it have bus channels too?

same thing

the wiggle baron · Post by **the wiggle baron** » Wed Jan 21, 2009 7:18 pm

I swear I understand the principles behind all this nonsense...but haven't a scooby how to put it to practice!

Like, "Route multiple channels through another one". The hell is a channel in reason when its at home? Like...physically

silentk · Post by **silentk** » Wed Jan 21, 2009 7:18 pm

nowaysj wrote:In fl, you can send from any channel to any other channel. The only thing that you can't do, correct me if I'm wrong, is send from a send to a channel other than main out.

If you select a mixer channel, look at the master channel at the bottom, there is a little half arrowy thingie. This is the channel's patch to the master, click that little arrow thingie, turning it off, then click the arrow thingie on another track. Now your first track is routed into your second track. There are knobs that pop up when you've sent, that allow send volume.

Very flexible architecture.

thats true, i find it's better to use a normal channel as a send then you have more flexibility over what to with the send output.

FSTZ1 · Post by **FSTZ1** » Wed Jan 21, 2009 7:19 pm

I take bus to group channel therapy

caterkilla · Post by **caterkilla** » Wed Jan 21, 2009 8:24 pm

cheers, nowaysj/dj vision for clearing that up

edit: just found some read for signal routing as well.

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