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okay not the whole cheese eating surrender monkey snail eating (tasty as they are) horse eating garlic ...i could go on...

What i mean is when are we gonna get ourselves out on the streets and out on strike at the mess our government is hurling us into. For fucks sake we can organize huge marches at the outrage of wars in distant lands (which i'm all for and always go to ) but when it comes to our own country we'd rather watch eastenders and eat kfc.
today about 1500 people we laid of in the UK and yet billions pounds of our tax money is helping a few bankers hold down there already vastly over paid jobs!!! how the fuck can this country sit around and whatch this happen?

fuck the government lets take this to the streets!!!!
...... i feel better for that rant.

becuase we are english, we moan about stuff.

And in our case it's because we're Americans and the majority wouldn't know about social activism if it slapped them in the face with it's dick.

well we did a bit more than moan about the criminal justice bill and the poll tax.... not that it actually changed anything but at least we vented our anger a bit...

i suspect a mixture of mogadon and prozac is pumped into the water !!

doomtube wrote:well we did a bit more than moan about the criminal justice bill and the poll tax.... not that it actually changed anything but at least we vented our anger a bit...

i suspect a mixture of mogadon and prozac is pumped into the water !!

i dnt like politics, and watching the news is boring and so is tv.

we can do it when we really need to, look at the poll tax riots.

whether we can rouse ourselves off the sofa and away from x factor to do it these days is another matter tho...

Because here in Europe, it doesn't matter how much you protest your government, you still serve them and not the other way around. I guess people finally realized it and feel powerless.

.spec wrote:And in our case it's because we're Americans and the majority wouldn't know about social activism if it slapped them in the face with it's dick.

Patriotism has changed in America, oddly enough. You used to be a patriot when you fought your government, now you're a traitor when you don't follow your government. Odd, considering the United States' foundation is basically hating your government and disagreeing with it.

because we take more drugs and listen to more music.
i know i'd be protesting all the time if i couldn't listen to good music and smoke good weed.

sounds silly but i reckon its true. same as sports, music is a great way to distract an individual or a population. pop music, i believe, is designed to dumb down people and make them complacent. same as the media...look at all this crazy shit going on...you're just one person...if gordon brown can't help us, there's no fucking way you could. go on, fuck off back to work and earn us some more tax, but please be VERY afraid, it makes you work quicker.

if chris moyles decided that cypress hill and mr bungle was pop music, and people realised that football is nothing but a great big expensive distraction, our country would probably sort itself out pretty quickly.

who wants to be french anyway? their country is fucked.

£10 Bag wrote:because we take more drugs and listen to more music.
i know i'd be protesting all the time if i couldn't listen to good music and smoke good weed.

I think this is pretty funny because the 1960s, the most socially active time in US history, was firmly grounded in smoking weed and making music.

Genevieve wrote: Patriotism has changed in America, oddly enough. You used to be a patriot when you fought your government, now you're a traitor when you don't follow your government. Odd, considering the United States' foundation is basically hating your government and disagreeing with it.

That's the rub right? Nothing drives me crazier than how the perception of our founders has been twisted in the last 100 years. Through the words of our elected officials and the distorted vision that our history books give us in school Americans now think our founders were Christians who founded the US as a Christian nation and like you said, being a patriot means unyielding loyalty to those in power.

I'm not anti-government by any means, I think there's always a balance, unfortunately that balance has swung the wrong way in recent years.
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Genevieve wrote:Because here in Europe, it doesn't matter how much you protest your government, you still serve them and not the other way around. I guess people finally realized it and feel powerless.

I think, if you look at the both the French and the British (from the little i know) we have a history of direct action and social protest that does work and has changed the way that government has behaved. I don't think the past should have to always inform how we behave in the present....

+ with the technology we have at our hand we 'the people' could change something. blah blah blah I'm just mad at the governments for getting the whole world economy into such a mess, why should the actions of so few fuck up so many peoples lives....

Little inspiration lads


http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=zdVquOmFJ0U




Disclaimer: Before the serious squad get on my arse, I'm not SERIOUSLY saying to go out and throw metal poles at coppers. Honest. (But how nasty does that police car window going though at 1:30 look?)

.spec wrote:That's the rub right? Nothing drives me crazier than how the perception of our founders has been twisted in the last 100 years. Through the words of our elected officials and the distorted vision that our history books give us in school Americans now think our founders were Christians who founded the US as a Christian nation and like you said, being a patriot means unyielding loyalty to those in power.

I'm not anti-government by any means, I think there's always a balance, unfortunately that balance has swung the wrong way in recent years.
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"If it's good enough for the founding fathers, it's good enough for me" ~ Sarah Palin on the addition of "under God" in the pledge of allegiance

Always get a kick out of that one. Hotdayum

Yeah, I'm not anti-government myself, I just want very little of it. As little as possible to secure people's rights and such. It's just gone far overboard these past few decades.

I've come in terms with the fact that there will never be a libertarian government, ever, but come on, we've had classical liberalism (not the liberalism that Americans consider 'liberal' these days) in the past, why not bring that back? I wouldn't complain. I mean, I would, but less than I do now. Actually, I don't know, I'd likely still complain, but it would be better than what we have now.

doomtube wrote:I think, if you look at the both the French and the British (from the little i know) we have a history of direct action and social protest that does work and has changed the way that government has behaved. I don't think the past should have to always inform how we behave in the present....

Sure, but recent history has been different, no? Ever since World War II, having the government take care of us has been the norm and personal responsibility has been neglected. We've become servants of the European superstate. And don't get me wrong, I don't think the people in charge are 'evil' or anything, just completely out of touch with reality and have no idea how to improve people's lives.

doomtube wrote:+ with the technology we have at our hand we 'the people' could change something. blah blah blah I'm just mad at the governments for getting the whole world economy into such a mess, why should the actions of so few fuck up so many peoples lives....

Because while many people would just love to blame it on the 'free market', the market is anything but free. It's corporations. Bastards who own multi-billion dollar companies don't have shit to worry about since they're not personally (fiscally) liable for the actions of their companies, who are treated like legal entities, so where does the money come from? Innocent tax payers who first of all, have to pay for the demise of the company and eventually get fired from their job because they're getting too expensive for their employer. Hoorah! They call that a 'free market'? Fuck that, really. And now you're considered a bad person when you don't worship the state.

because chemistry and media was used to kill your sprit and critical sense,
and tv is funny

now you think in tweets and act guided by social standards set up by media

i swear down letss strike man this country i s pissing me ogg

I'd say the national personality over here comes from the difference with how our parliamentary democracy was formed during the 1500s-1900s... whereas we had a couple of civil wars to try and boot out the Monarchy, we never actually did it for any extended period of time... Cromwell came the closest, but we still ended up reverting - what we did instead was to form a balance between our ruling classes and our elected government and we used elements of our most basic legal documents (predating the Magna Carta into Saxon law) to show that the Monarchy must exist only with the permission of the people and their government.

Essentially, circumstance led us to finding a compromise with our ruling classes and we've had, more-or-less (save for a few particular examples), polite debate between the people, their government and the royals ever since.

In France, their civil conflicts ended much more absolutely. They cut the fuckers heads off. Power to the people. They don't have the deference to the upper classes that we have, so they find it much more natural to throw off their responsibilities of employment and get themselves out on the street.

I think it's a gift and a curse... I'd rather that people felt the need to do more in this country, but I'm glad we don't go on strike as much as the French.

This fucking forum is turning into newsnight/question time...MORE MUSIC/BANTER PLEASE

that video is awesome. being in a full-scale riot/revolt against the government is one of my things to do before i die

why aren't we more like the french?

BECAUSE WE WASH

LOL

doomtube wrote:okay not the whole cheese eating surrender monkey snail eating (tasty as they are) horse eating garlic ...i could go on...

What i mean is when are we gonna get ourselves out on the streets and out on strike at the mess our government is hurling us into. For fucks sake we can organize huge marches at the outrage of wars in distant lands (which i'm all for and always go to ) but when it comes to our own country we'd rather watch eastenders and eat kfc.
today about 1500 people we laid of in the UK and yet billions pounds of our tax money is helping a few bankers hold down there already vastly over paid jobs!!! how the fuck can this country sit around and whatch this happen?

fuck the government lets take this to the streets!!!!
...... i feel better for that rant.

Zeitgeist 2 : Addendum - educate yourself, its hard to stick with at times, i will be the first to admit. Give it a shot, a lot of it does make a lot of sense.

deamonds wrote:This fucking forum is turning into newsnight/question time...MORE MUSIC/BANTER PLEASE

Paxman screwface.