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Which do you prefer?

would you rather create your samples, and load them up in a sampler such as Battery, or (as i do in fruity) load all the samples in individually (or drop them on the playlist as audio) and work that way?

Individual samples all the way. I love the feel of dragging them around the DAW and taking my time choosing the samples, as apposed to the impersonal feel that I get from MIDI.

Nothing like spending 4 hours rearranging little boxes on a screen.

Rendr wrote:Individual samples all the way. I love the feel of dragging them around the DAW and taking my time choosing the samples, as apposed to the impersonal feel that I get from MIDI.

Nothing like spending 4 hours rearranging little boxes on a screen.

you see, i agree whole heartedly with this. but i struggle to understand why so many people prefer to use drum samplers, surely it only restricts you? sure some of them have nice effects/filter. but why not just run a sample through it, bounce out an individual hit, and load that back into your DAW?

SilentK wrote:

Rendr wrote:Individual samples all the way. I love the feel of dragging them around the DAW and taking my time choosing the samples, as apposed to the impersonal feel that I get from MIDI.

Nothing like spending 4 hours rearranging little boxes on a screen.

you see, i agree whole heartedly with this. but i struggle to understand why so many people prefer to use drum samplers, surely it only restricts you? sure some of them have nice effects/filter. but why not just run a sample through it, bounce out an individual hit, and load that back into your DAW?

I personally don't use drum samplers (and don't think I ever will) but one upside that I can see from them is in Ultrabeat anyway, you can choose the 'fundamental frequency' of the drum hits, which sounds a lot nicer that just pitching up/down a sample. And a few other features found in samplers, like the ability to layer up drum sounds with tones such as sine waves, white noise... etc

But it's all a matter of choice. The main reason I don't use them is because I genuinely love to arrange individual hits for hours on end, and hate rearranging midi data. Although I wouldn't argue with anyone that technically you can do more with a sampler. But listen to old skool jungle like Remarc or Dred Bass... they didn't use drum samplers and their tunes are without a doubt the some of the best examples of drumlines you can get.

drum sampler for hats/percussion

individual for snare, kick, crash etc.

lilt wrote:drum sampler for hats/percussion

individual for snare, kick, crash etc.

care to explain ur choices?

I use individual samples man, but you cant always get the right beat thats in your head out, i see what the guy 2 replies above means about hi hats, i might try that one. just to get some feel into them.

I use the drum sampler like ultrabeat or redrum. I use different channels for each aspect, kick channels, snare channels, maybe a copy of the snare channel to use FX with.......

samplers!

love ultrabeat

use it for other stuff aswel as jus drums

Depone wrote:I use both. The bonus of having it in a drum sampler like battery, is that you can control each samples ADSR, routing/multi pad triggering.

but what to do when it comes to mix down? u cant route each sound in battery to a seperate track in your DAW?

Depone wrote:

SilentK wrote:

Depone wrote:I use both. The bonus of having it in a drum sampler like battery, is that you can control each samples ADSR, routing/multi pad triggering.

but what to do when it comes to mix down? u cant route each sound in battery to a seperate track in your DAW?

Yeah man, it has multiple outputs to channels in your mixer. i always do this so that you can sequence you kick/snare patterns on the same midi clip, and then have them outputted on separate audio channels to mix.

aaah, i have learned something new

I have played with battery before but never noticed this feature

same with ultrabeat

is it called multi timbral instrument or summin????????

maybe i jus made that up or am i'm gettin confused?

multi timbral's summin like that is it not?

next topic right there i think

I use ultrabeat cos the 'drag and drop' kit makes it really easy to swap samples in and out. Tend to spend some time effecting/layering snares and such before bouncing them and sticking them in ultrabeat. Then it's all about the hypereditor for drawing in the beats

individual samples are the tits. you can make crazy edits, fills, reverses, etc in seconds

I use Redrum or the Ableton Impulse sampler for all drums. I make a separate instance for Kicks, one for Snares and one for the rest of the Perc like hats and shakers. I like to layer kicks and want the kick to sound similar most of the time, so Ill shape the sound in the drumsampler and program in midi so I only have to create the drum once. Once I get the pattern where I like it for the most part, I bounce that and do further editing where needed.

I like being able to load up a few kicks in redrum and get to laying down some drums faster to work on the rest of the song. I usually make a skeleton drum track to create the rest of the tune on and then go back to program the drums around the song, so faster is better in the begining of the process.

SilentK wrote:

lilt wrote:drum sampler for hats/percussion

individual for snare, kick, crash etc.

care to explain ur choices?

yeah =)

its a visual/aural psychological trick for myself

i usually use a good 5-8 hats for a single line so it keeps that nice and compact (using battery or short circuit as the sampler) but all those hats make up just one spectrum of the overall sound (they play consequtively, rather than concurrently)

but with the kick, snare, crash etc. those are single hits (made up of a few single samples) and they each go on a separate track because they take up a lot of the spectrum of the sound

so when i look at my track it looks like the kick and snare are taking up a sixth of the screen each, which connects with them taking up a sixth of the sound

eg. basic track will have snare, kick, hats, bass, synth, ambience

its just a trick for myself so that things look like im hearing them, rather than trying to make it sound like what im looking at

I don't restrict myself to one method. Using Ableton usually the drum racks and audio lanes both get used for beats. Sometimes I will even use the sampler. All built in Ableton stuff for samples tho.