Are we on the wrong side?

hackman · Post by **hackman** » Sun Mar 22, 2009 11:56 am

ive been thinking over the last few days that it is perfectly possible that "al quaeda" can't spell it, or other islamic terrorist groups, Iran, taleban whatever, are actually the good guys, fighting for freedom etc etc
they go about it the wrong way, suicide bombs, and terror attacks, but if you think about it, they have no other option. if they waged full war with US/UK they would be slaughtered
while everyone knows that US/UK have no legal basis for being in Iraq, support an Illegal state (israel) that murders countless Palestinians continuously, reguarly kill islamic civilians (no different in my mind from terror attacks)
war with iran seems to be very likely, and again there will be no basis for the war except "possible nuclear threat"
anyway i've been dissillusioned with everything to do with the "west", except the music scene lol
bring on the revolution?

altered state · Post by **altered state** » Sun Mar 22, 2009 12:13 pm

No side is the correct side when its religion and claims of "holy war" (which this is btw) are fueling the fight.

Also, no side is the good side when its the lust for money forcing a country to war - so this rules out every major war since the american revolution.

j-sh · Post by **j-sh** » Sun Mar 22, 2009 12:14 pm

you're not alone in these thoughts

missedthebus · Post by **missedthebus** » Sun Mar 22, 2009 12:18 pm

the sympathiser will now be under the watchful eye of SIS

j-sh · Post by **j-sh** » Sun Mar 22, 2009 12:24 pm

Altered State wrote:No side is the correct side when its religion and claims of "holy war" (which this is btw)

i wouldn't entirely agree with that. Surely you must admit that there are political and economic motives as well as religious?

profound · Post by **profound** » Sun Mar 22, 2009 12:28 pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVpjPuzlvus

hackman · Post by **hackman** » Sun Mar 22, 2009 12:34 pm

Altered State wrote:No side is the correct side when its religion and claims of "holy war" (which this is btw) are fueling the fight

yeah, but if you were a muslim and the west constantly did you over you would claim a holy war on them
there isn't any religious motive behind what we're doing to them

edit: profound has the right idea

j-sh · Post by **j-sh** » Sun Mar 22, 2009 12:47 pm

hackman wrote:
there isn't any religious motive behind what we're doing to them

there are SOME religious motives, for instance the continuation of the state of Israel is justified by some with religion. Also George Bush's new crusade comments make me think that there was alot of christian influence in invading Iraq

hackman · Post by **hackman** » Sun Mar 22, 2009 12:55 pm

true, but in our case, maybe apart from israel (the worst idea ever), i think the use of religion is merely used to justify things, rather than actually have a religious cause

edit: particularly when the majority of the US\UK population is not religious while the majority of Iraq are

j-sh · Post by **j-sh** » Sun Mar 22, 2009 2:21 pm

hackman wrote:true, but in our case, maybe apart from israel (the worst idea ever), i think the use of religion is merely used to justify things, rather than actually have a religious cause

edit: particularly when the majority of the US\UK population is not religious while the majority of Iraq are

perhaps, but you have to consider what the implication of a religious motive is. For instance extreme islamic political parties in the middle east not only represent a religious standpoint but also are actively fighting western imperialism, so therefore people who may not have been extremists have been forced into it to gain support for political motives.

Also i'm fairly sure that US has an extremely high level of theistic fundamentalists, particularly in the southern states. I've read that there are as few as 3% of people who claim themselves to be atheists.

furthermore (sorry to go on!) it's not really important what the religious beliefs of the population of any country is, but their leaders. Again, looking at the US, the religious beliefs of the corporations, senators etc, has much more influence than that of its citizens in this so called 'democratic' society

tl;dr - the issue is more complex than that lol

hackman · Post by **hackman** » Sun Mar 22, 2009 2:28 pm

yeah i agree, except what you said about how its not important what the religous beliefs are of the country
i think its massivley important, a million miles more important than what the leaders think
which is why we're on the wrong side, we need to break away from what are "leaders" think as it does not represent what the majority of the population feel

altered state · Post by **altered state** » Sun Mar 22, 2009 2:45 pm

Edited.

firky · Post by **firky** » Sun Mar 22, 2009 2:55 pm

the problem is that for the best part; human kind is composed of stnuc.

surface_tension · Post by **surface_tension** » Sun Mar 22, 2009 2:55 pm

If I wasn't flying across the country tomorrow, I'd say yes. Ask me once I make it through security and shit, so they don't waterboard me to get on a plane.

j-sh · Post by **j-sh** » Sun Mar 22, 2009 3:11 pm

hackman wrote:yeah i agree, except what you said about how its not important what the religous beliefs are of the country
i think its massivley important, a million miles more important than what the leaders think
which is why we're on the wrong side, we need to break away from what are "leaders" think as it does not represent what the majority of the population feel

no i totally agree that's the way it SHOULD be, of course the beliefs of the population should determine the actions of their country. What i'm saying is in the current faux democracy, they don't.

staas · Post by **staas** » Sun Mar 22, 2009 3:12 pm

i don't believe that the USA really has religious motives in this, they support the albanians(muslims) in kosovo over the serbs who are christian like america

i'm not sure at all what the real motives are on the american side, i don't really know if it's for oil, increased influence in the middle east or to scare
their own citizens into blindly following the state, for all i know they could be starting these wars for fun

alien pimp · Post by **alien pimp** » Sun Mar 22, 2009 3:32 pm

it's all about the benjamins
thing is muslims and russians are the only opposition to the western capital, they are essential to the global democracy as retarded as they may act

hackman · Post by **hackman** » Sun Mar 22, 2009 5:12 pm

ok it seems that everyone is in agreement that the western governments are bad, the whole system is bad.....
SO WHY THE FUCK IS NOONE DOING ANYTHING ABOUT IT????
everyone just seems content to sit back and let it happen, knowing we're in the wrong but content to reap the benefits
i think its sick, i dont know what needs to be done or how to go about doing it but im spreading the word.....
REVOLUTION IS NIGH!!!!!!!!!!

firky · Post by **firky** » Sun Mar 22, 2009 5:19 pm

"People who talk about revolution and class struggle without referring explicitly to everyday life, without understanding what is subversive about love and what is positive in the refusal or constraints, such people have a corpse in their mouth." - Raoul Vaneigem

hackman · Post by **hackman** » Sun Mar 22, 2009 5:28 pm

oh come on man!!!!!

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