Independant article on Dubstep vs Snoop debate

mrbeatnick · Post by **mrbeatnick** » Mon Apr 27, 2009 2:38 pm

http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-enter ... 73292.html

got it off sonic router, if you don't know that blog u should check it, the guy is on it.

nice words from plastician, plus article mentions this site and what u guys said.

-dubson- · Post by **-dubson-** » Mon Apr 27, 2009 3:29 pm

lol at them quoting the forum

hackman · Post by **hackman** » Mon Apr 27, 2009 3:34 pm

xzibit and busta rhymes? whoopdy doo
if their not "cashing" in on the scene and its all about the music why dont they put some decent hip hop vocals over tunes, like souls of mischief/cunninlynguists/people under the stairs

my left retina · Post by **my left retina** » Mon Apr 27, 2009 3:36 pm

mrbeatnick wrote:http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-enter ... 73292.html

got it off sonic router, if you don't know that blog u should check it, the guy is on it.

lets meet and make love.

computer rock · Post by **computer rock** » Mon Apr 27, 2009 4:02 pm

this guy on the other hand is waste:

http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-enter ... 73737.html

if you're trying hard to find an argument in there don't bother cause there isn't one. it's what I imagine the daily mail would say about this whole thing: pure hysteria journalism. i half expected him to have started a BRITISH DUBZ FOR BRITISH SOUNDMANS campaign by the end of it

plastician · Post by **plastician** » Mon Apr 27, 2009 4:07 pm

computer rock wrote:this guy on the other hand is waste:

http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-enter ... 73737.html

if you're trying hard to find an argument in there don't bother cause there isn't one. it's what I imagine the daily mail would say about this whole thing: pure hysteria journalism. i half expected him to have started a BRITISH DUBZ FOR BRITISH SOUNDMANS campaign by the end of it

Uninformed opinions as well. Chase & Status had dubstep releases on Bingo, Vehicle, Stealh People and various other early dubstep labels before they ever got big in DnB

metalboxproducts · Post by **metalboxproducts** » Mon Apr 27, 2009 4:41 pm

Surely this is just a natural progression?

ajantis_art · Post by **ajantis_art** » Mon Apr 27, 2009 4:58 pm

i personally don't have a problem with american rappers getting on dubstep. i mean they gave us hip hop and we ran with it. I'm sure back in the 1980's a lot of UK kids were rhyming in american accents over US hip hop instrumentals. However i think it's a truly, truly awful vocal, and tbh i don't think it's the right track for someone like snoop to get on. he should try link up with some of the many talented US producers and develop something original. I get slightly annoyed with the negative points of dubstep's increased popularity too but let's not deny it it's much-deserved success, and everything that goes with it.

another thing, i'm not hugely into chase&status' beats but it is starting to annoy me how quick people are to caste them off as jumping on the bandwagon, despite as plastic says, being about the bingo/ammunition lot for time.

cosmic_surgeon · Post by **cosmic_surgeon** » Mon Apr 27, 2009 5:10 pm

ajantis_art wrote:i personally don't have a problem with american rappers getting on dubstep. i mean they gave us hip hop and we ran with it. I'm sure back in the 1980's a lot of UK kids were rhyming in american accents over US hip hop instrumentals. However i think it's a truly, truly awful vocal, and tbh i don't think it's the right track for someone like snoop to get on. he should try link up with some of the many talented US producers and develop something original. I get slightly annoyed with the negative points of dubstep's increased popularity too but let's not deny it it's much-deserved success, and everything that goes with it.

I'm inclined to agree, but if hip-hop is gonna meld with dubstep, why not get some truly great MC's who can still put together decent lyrics on board? I just can't nod my head to Snoop or anyone who shares his choice of subject matter, it doesn't mean anything to me.

As for Snoop Dogg Millionaire the mix sounded far too cluttered and the vocal was dire. Just what I thought.

ajantis_art · Post by **ajantis_art** » Mon Apr 27, 2009 5:21 pm

i agree mate, something like kode 9's remix of MF Doom - "Air" is an example of how the two genres can work together wonderfully. would be really interesting to hear what the RZA's thoughts are on dubstep, if he has any at all.

clarkycatdealer · Post by **clarkycatdealer** » Mon Apr 27, 2009 5:22 pm

that girl that wrote the article is the editor's daughter. so if yr wondering why such a load of poorly-researched, ill written and generally shitty drivel got published........ there you go.

computer rock · Post by **computer rock** » Mon Apr 27, 2009 5:41 pm

clarkycatDealer wrote:that girl that wrote the article is the editor's daughter. so if yr wondering why such a load of poorly-researched, ill written and generally shitty drivel got published........ there you go.

print journalism: keeping nepotism alive and well in the 21st century.

it takes the piss to be honest

crowleyhead · Post by **crowleyhead** » Mon Apr 27, 2009 6:03 pm

hackman wrote: decent hip hop vocals over tunes, like souls of mischief/cunninlynguists/people under the stairs

Oxymoron.

My opinion aside, nobody's going to get Dubstep to more ears if it goes to all 5000 of each of those group's fans.

The ideal is to get someone with artistic merit and some commercial recognition. Maybe those artists don't meet your merit (they don't for me either), but there's no point of getting someone that the indie crowd approves of, and add an extra special layer of insulation for dubstep.

I'll take Soulja Boy over "Night" over some critically approved rapper any day. If it means that dubstep becomes a force to be recognized in THE WORLD, then by all means, let the boring rappers flock.

hackman · Post by **hackman** » Mon Apr 27, 2009 6:15 pm

CrowleyHead wrote:
hackman wrote: decent hip hop vocals over tunes, like souls of mischief/cunninlynguists/people under the stairs
Oxymoron.

My opinion aside, nobody's going to get Dubstep to more ears if it goes to all 5000 of each of those group's fans.

The ideal is to get someone with artistic merit and some commercial recognition. Maybe those artists don't meet your merit (they don't for me either), but there's no point of getting someone that the indie crowd approves of, and add an extra special layer of insulation for dubstep.

I'll take Soulja Boy over "Night" over some critically approved rapper any day. If it means that dubstep becomes a force to be recognized in THE WORLD, then by all means, let the boring rappers flock.

so you think snoop dog, xzibit, and busta rhymes are better than the ones i've mentioned? maybe mine arent the best cos i dont listen to much hip hop but they are A LOT better than snoop dog, xzibit etc

prick

setspeed · Post by **setspeed** » Mon Apr 27, 2009 6:22 pm

CrowleyHead wrote:
hackman wrote: decent hip hop vocals over tunes, like souls of mischief/cunninlynguists/people under the stairs
Oxymoron.

My opinion aside, nobody's going to get Dubstep to more ears if it goes to all 5000 of each of those group's fans.

The ideal is to get someone with artistic merit and some commercial recognition. Maybe those artists don't meet your merit (they don't for me either), but there's no point of getting someone that the indie crowd approves of, and add an extra special layer of insulation for dubstep.

I'll take Soulja Boy over "Night" over some critically approved rapper any day. If it means that dubstep becomes a force to be recognized in THE WORLD, then by all means, let the boring rappers flock.

^^^^

i hate the middle class idea that only po-faced backpack hiphoppers with names like Cultural Dialect can be 'decent'. i'll take Jeezy or Rick Ross anyday.

also i love this one -

http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-enter ... 73737.html

Snoop suddenly wants to attach his name to dubstep and use the UK scene for his own exposure

so a multi-million selling international megastar wants to jump on tunes from a scene where an average release sells about 1000 for the money and exposure, does he? someone here is an idiot and i'm betting it's not snoop

hackman · Post by **hackman** » Mon Apr 27, 2009 6:25 pm

setspeed wrote:i hate the middle class idea that only po-faced backpack hiphoppers with names like Cultural Dialect can be 'decent'.

that statements shit for so many reasons

cosmic_surgeon · Post by **cosmic_surgeon** » Mon Apr 27, 2009 6:41 pm

CrowleyHead wrote:
hackman wrote: decent hip hop vocals over tunes, like souls of mischief/cunninlynguists/people under the stairs
Oxymoron.

My opinion aside, nobody's going to get Dubstep to more ears if it goes to all 5000 of each of those group's fans.

The ideal is to get someone with artistic merit and some commercial recognition. Maybe those artists don't meet your merit (they don't for me either), but there's no point of getting someone that the indie crowd approves of, and add an extra special layer of insulation for dubstep.

I'll take Soulja Boy over "Night" over some critically approved rapper any day. If it means that dubstep becomes a force to be recognized in THE WORLD, then by all means, let the boring rappers flock.

Personally, if I were to choose between commercially viable music which sounds boring, but which will reach out to a vast audience of fair weather fans, or great music which a core of people really enjoy and identify with, I'd choose the latter.

The second you start letting money and the market throw its weight around, your music will start to lose integrity. The pop music market is dominated by songs which mean nothing and sound like everything else. There's no interest in pushing limits and creating something groundbreaking because all of that comes second to making money, and if it isn't viable commercially it isn't getting released.

setspeed · Post by **setspeed** » Mon Apr 27, 2009 6:45 pm

hackman wrote:
setspeed wrote:i hate the middle class idea that only po-faced backpack hiphoppers with names like Cultural Dialect can be 'decent'.
that statements shit for so many reasons

yeah sorry, i missed out 'mid 90s' heheheh

anyway, Doggystyle IS one of the best hiphop albums ever and for that reason alone Snoop should command respect, even if he has fallen off over the last few years. try it - you might like it

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UbI2TS0fW4Q

cyrusfx · Post by **cyrusfx** » Mon Apr 27, 2009 6:45 pm

I like some of the indie hip hoppers that are doing their thing over dubstep, some of it is incredibly sick and some is among the best music I've heard in the past couple years.

But the reason why mainstream U.S. rap won't ever commit to the dubstep movement is because they are for the most part too interested in cranking out safe, familiar, shitty products that they can sell to their FM radio brainwashees. It follows a rather specific format which is generally too boring for dubstep.

A LOT of RAP has no artistic merit whatsoever and is only accepted by mainstream society because for years we've been aggressively bombarded by similar-sounding, repetitive, over-produced nonsense to the point where it makes people comfortable...

Its the same tactic that rightwing radio talk show hosts use to convince their followers of ANYTHING -- make them hear it enough times and eventually they'll believe its true (or good).

Props to Snoop for trying something different, but I wouldn't get used to the idea catching on... Most rap fans are simply too dull and image-driven to attempt to comprehend the dubstep sound.

seckle · Post by **seckle** » Mon Apr 27, 2009 6:46 pm

**changed my mind. edited out for diplomacy.

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