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i never really use a groove feature. i either quantise straight or just go lazy if i'm playing. i think a groove feature is a bit of a con and is a total lazy way to make music. you are basically letting a randomisation feature do the work for you, which is ok i guess. but if you edit the individual placement of the notes yourself you can get a lot more creative.

i would say if you want a real swing dont quantize anything. just go back and edit the placement if its too off

^ that's the thing. unquantized doesn't immediately equal groove. more like "it sounds like a shit drummer played this"

what it does equal is your skill on the pads. if you got groove then the drums will too. dont let a computer do all the work

and only pad out the kicks and snares then the hihats seperate

just add a little to make it sound less robotic and a bit shuffled

if you have to add too much you aren't really building the groove into your beat, and that is what you really want to do

on my last one i took a breakbeat (cus there funky!) and laid my kicks agaist the kicks in the beat, so sort of quatnised. Worked really well will do again.


you can always remove the loop later, just nick the groove...

Paradigm X wrote:on my last one i took a breakbeat (cus there funky!) and laid my kicks agaist the kicks in the beat, so sort of quatnised. Worked really well will do again.


you can always remove the loop later, just nick the groove...

I do this all the time. Always have, even used to do it back in my MPC days.

Hey EOPS,
I have been dying for a groove function in Live and I just got Live 8. I haven't really used it yet, I don't quite understand it yet (need to wrap my brain around what's ACTUALLY happening) but once I do I will try to post here.

I am still doing things the way Paradigm suggested.

nowaysj wrote:I swing stuff w/ fruity but don't use the groove functions.

Of note for fruity, swing only works with steps programmed in the step sequencer.

i use the piano roll its so more advance, the step sequencer is very good at programing beats fast but thats it. the piano rolls options to quantize and move the beats by hand just a little bit sounds so much better than the shity swing on the step sequencer.

but best of all is to use the FPC (i love you imageline how did i over look this for so long) and get midi pads or computer keyboard and play that shit then you can tweek your palying if it needs it.

nowaysj wrote:I like swinging

edit: he is the master of groove

nowaysj wrote:I like swinging. (Insert joke about 'private members' here)

Swing both ways do you?

I want to start doing something tsimilar to wha Paradigm has mentioned, ie, placing/playing beats agains live breaks.

I find when I listen to music, I often come up with my own beat and ghostnotes for the song, as if they should have always been there.

I'm gunna try make a beat based on another tunes swing & groove to see what happens

I used to use that feature allot when I was using Reason 3. I find it is good for getting inspiration for random drum break chops and whatnot. I wish logic had a similar feature for rex files. It doesn't does it?