Slicing breaks

daft cunt · Post by **daft cunt** » Tue Jul 21, 2009 12:33 pm

What works best for you ?
1 - pitch the break 1st to make it same speed as the tune
2 - slice as it is and have little gaps between the elements if break is faster or missing bits if slower

drift · Post by **drift** » Tue Jul 21, 2009 1:12 pm

recycle

http://www.propellerheads.se/products/recycle/

r · Post by r » Tue Jul 21, 2009 1:13 pm

whatever works. Sometimes timestretch, sometimes pitch, sometimes proper cutting. I prefer cutting

daft cunt · Post by **daft cunt** » Tue Jul 21, 2009 1:21 pm

drift wrote:recycle

http://www.propellerheads.se/products/recycle/

Does Recycle do clean timestretching, say from 180 to 140 BPM without audible artefacts?

3za · Post by **3za** » Tue Jul 21, 2009 1:35 pm

Daft tnuc wrote:2 - slice as it is and have little gaps between the elements if break is faster or missing bits if slower

with SliceX (FL)

crytek · Post by **crytek** » Tue Jul 21, 2009 1:46 pm

Slice breaks first (always try to preserve the attacks of the hits) and then program my pattern. Then pitch/gate/vol envelope/etc.. if necessary.

Sharmaji · Post by **Sharmaji** » Tue Jul 21, 2009 2:19 pm

recycle for sure, then load into an exs24-- negates the issues of timestretching.

crytek · Post by **crytek** » Tue Jul 21, 2009 2:52 pm

TeReKeTe wrote:recycle for sure, then load into an exs24-- negates the issues of timestretching.

Perhaps, but a lot of work goes into slicing. Recycle has a funny way of placing the markers on an waveform. Often find that I have to either setup them manually, or open up a wave editor, generate the markers where I want them on the wave file, save the file and then use the auto detect feature in recycle. The latter is a lot longer, but it make sure recycle places the markers where you actually want them.

daft cunt · Post by **daft cunt** » Tue Jul 21, 2009 4:40 pm

Recycle looks handy. I thought it was about 50 € or so but 230 for a goddamn beatslicer... Laziness is expensive these days!

hurlingdervish · Post by **hurlingdervish** » Tue Jul 21, 2009 5:07 pm

set warp points in ableton live and slice to midi

it doesn't warp the audio just acts as the start points like recycle without having to use a separate program

hurlingdervish · Post by **hurlingdervish** » Tue Jul 21, 2009 5:08 pm

Daft tnuc wrote:Recycle looks handy. I thought it was about 50 € or so but 230 for a goddamn beatslicer... Laziness is expensive these days!

230 for something that really should have been included in the program itself

wasteeee

gravity · Post by **gravity** » Tue Jul 21, 2009 5:13 pm

i slice in soundforge and then put the slices in kontakt.

normally only do minimal processing before slicing, eq and maybe some compression or limiting. for pitching and stuff i wait till its chopped and pitch/process in kontakt.

contakt321 · Post by **contakt321** » Tue Jul 21, 2009 5:35 pm

hurlingdervish wrote:set warp points in ableton live and slice to midi

it doesn't warp the audio just acts as the start points like recycle without having to use a separate program

Interesting, I didn't realize it didn't warp it. I have been doing it manually for all this time - this changes things.

Sharmaji · Post by **Sharmaji** » Tue Jul 21, 2009 6:19 pm

crytek wrote:
Perhaps, but a lot of work goes into slicing. Recycle has a funny way of placing the markers on an waveform. Often find that I have to either setup them manually, or open up a wave editor, generate the markers where I want them on the wave file, save the file and then use the auto detect feature in recycle. The latter is a lot longer, but it make sure recycle places the markers where you actually want them.

who said slicing doesn't involve effort

? my guess is that if it was easy, we'd have a lot more chopped-jungle d&b out as opposed to meathead fistpump 2-step beats.

Recycle definitely beats loading into an s2000 and then finding the slice points by dialing in #'s.

MidnightMassDubstep · Post by **MidnightMassDubstep** » Tue Jul 21, 2009 9:19 pm

Get the demo of FL I think fruity slicer is included. Works a fucking absolute dream.

crytek · Post by **crytek** » Tue Jul 21, 2009 9:24 pm

TeReKeTe wrote:
crytek wrote:
Perhaps, but a lot of work goes into slicing. Recycle has a funny way of placing the markers on an waveform. Often find that I have to either setup them manually, or open up a wave editor, generate the markers where I want them on the wave file, save the file and then use the auto detect feature in recycle. The latter is a lot longer, but it make sure recycle places the markers where you actually want them.
who said slicing doesn't involve effort ? my guess is that if it was easy, we'd have a lot more chopped-jungle d&b out as opposed to meathead fistpump 2-step beats.

Recycle definitely beats loading into an s2000 and then finding the slice points by dialing in #'s.

My whole mini rant was really about how Recycle places the markers on any break other than the action break (or a break with well defined peaks in them). I agree, it does beats loading it in a hardware sampler, but I'd personally like doing it in hardware. That or either take the soundforge route and do it that way first.

deadly_habit · Post by **deadly_habit** » Tue Jul 21, 2009 9:49 pm

yea i use an older version of recycle that still has scsi transfer to my s2000
easiest way of setting points though when sampling from a vinyl is to pitch it down to the max to make finding the points easier then pitch back to normal when you load it into a sampler
sometimes when quantizing a beat though you may need to add some air from a hit or reverse the initial sample and add it to the tail end or take that slice and find a suitable point to chop and extend
ahhh i love working with breaks
the initial choppage is half the fun